The Voynich Ninja

Just another post, I made an observation of the star folio You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , the star oiinar in tongues sounds like Israel.  Some of the medieval people thought of stars were like Angels.  Anyway here is the the decoded star in tongues.  Theologians and common people linked stars to Angels in Medieval times.


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o→I · i→S · i→S · n→R · a→E · r→O · ,→?

oiinar ISSREO

This sounds enchanting and the 1st paragraph was over and I had to listen to it again.

VEANOVEMB NOVEMLEC EO EPESSR MIC MIONOVEM POUB NOVEMLIB MICOCTONOVEM

BIONOVEM LEO IO NOVEM LEUO APESSR MEO EOU PEO PEO OCTOER

BNOVEMESSO MULNOVEM IO NOVEMLESSR MIOCTO PIEONOVEM PUB OCTOEOESSR BNOVEM

OCTOISSR IPUUNOVEM IPUIB OICIPNOVEM P?EO OCTOESSR IPESSR IO ILER OCTOESO

OCTOESO NOVEM PESSR GEO VESSR                              NOVEMOCTOEOESMNOVEM


Now I can understand how this sounds like "You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.".  I think the entropy went up for the substitution.

One other idea about speaking in tongues, there's the whole repeat words issue and yes that's in the voynich.  The way I decoded it has that repeat vibe too.  So look at this for instance.  If you You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. some of voynich with my You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. to tongues you will hear the repeat vibe when you read it.

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d→OCTO · y→NOVEM · d→OCTO · y→NOVEM · d→OCTO · y→NOVEM
OCTONOVEMOCTONOVEMOCTONOVEM

Quote:Because they are sadly uneducated and uncatechized on the matter, and have mistaken the occultic practice of incantation/ululation with “the gift of tongues” in the New Testament.

By You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. the same 5–13 syllables multiple times, especially (but not necessarily) with gradually increasing speed, volume, and intensity and working to a climax, one induces an altered state of consciousness and often auto-hysteria.

It is in fact a practice condemned in Scripture, in both the Old Testament and the New.

Apostolic “tongues", by contrast, sounds like a language — with a discernible grammar, vocabulary, morphology, and syntax, and in fact often is an actual other human language that the speaker has no knowledge of.

(I was accompanying a friend on a mission trip in Eastern Europe 25 years ago, and at a small town in southeast Poland the host asked me to preach at a village gathering with the host translating. 3 lines into the sermon —though I speak not a word of Polish — I broke into perfect native Polish, and not the kind you'd learn in school, but this town's obscure dialect and accent — at least that's what they all told me. All I know is I was trying to speak in English, but all the words kept coming out funny.)

Se is just above the decoded "LAIO" for You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. the abbreviation for Latin is L and "AIO" means to tell and relate.  Yet "Se" states this is (apart from) Latin yet AIO to tell and relate the meaning maybe apart.  This is very interesting for a Glossolalia.  There are remote Latin words that are rare, but for the most part it reads like tongues.

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kchor
LAIO

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Ok so I believe I know what's going with You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , it means apart from! Its in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in MS-408.  There is 5 instances of the word "AIO" in folio 2v that's supposed to be for tongues but the word is "AIO" means to tell or relate.  So we are dealing with a glossolalia and we are telling and relating but the meaning is apart from.

Here is the decoded file of f2v:

kooiin
k→L · o→I · o→I · i→S · i→S · n→R
LIISSR
cheo
ch→A · e→U · o→I
AUI
pchor
p→G · ch→A · o→I · r→O
GAIO
otaiin
o→I · t→P · a→E · i→S · i→S · n→R
IPESSR
o
o→I
I
dain
d→OCTO · a→E · i→S · n→R
OCTOESR
chor
ch→A · o→I · r→O
AIO
dair
d→OCTO · a→E · i→S · r→O
OCTOESO
Shty
sh→M · t→P · y→NOVEM
MPNOVEM
kcho
k→L · ch→A · o→I
LAI
kchy
k→L · ch→A · y→NOVEM
LANOVEM
Sho
sh→M · o→I
MI
Shol
sh→M · o→I · l→C
MIC
qotcho
q→QUATTUOR · o→I · t→P · ch→A · o→I
QUATTUORIPAI
loeees
l→C · o→I · e→U · e→U · e→U · s→B
CIUUUB
qoty
q→QUATTUOR · o→I · t→P · y→NOVEM
QUATTUORIPNOVEM
chor
ch→A · o→I · r→O
AIO
daiin
d→OCTO · a→E · i→S · i→S · n→R
OCTOESSR
otchy
o→I · t→P · ch→A · y→NOVEM
IPANOVEM
chor
ch→A · o→I · r→O
AIO
lShy
l→C · sh→M · y→NOVEM
CMNOVEM
chol
ch→A · o→I · l→C
AIC
chody
ch→A · o→I · d→OCTO · y→NOVEM
AIOCTONOVEM
chodain
ch→A · o→I · d→OCTO · a→E · i→S · n→R
AIOCTOESR
chcThy
ch→A · cth→P · y→NOVEM
APNOVEM
daiin
d→OCTO · a→E · i→S · i→S · n→R
OCTOESSR
Sho
sh→M · o→I
MI
cholo
ch→A · o→I · l→C · o→I
AICI
cheor
ch→A · e→U · o→I · r→O
AUIO
chodaiin
ch→A · o→I · d→OCTO · a→E · i→S · i→S · n→R
AIOCTOESSR
kchor
k→L · ch→A · o→I · r→O
LAIO
Shy
sh→M · y→NOVEM
MNOVEM
daiiin
d→OCTO · a→E · i→S · i→S · i→S · n→R
OCTOESSSR
chcKhoy
ch→A · ckh→L · o→I · y→NOVEM
ALINOVEM
s
s→B
B
Shey
sh→M · e→U · y→NOVEM
MUNOVEM
dor
d→OCTO · o→I · r→O
OCTOIO
chol
ch→A · o→I · l→C
AIC
daiin
d→OCTO · a→E · i→S · i→S · n→R
OCTOESSR
dor
d→OCTO · o→I · r→O
OCTOIO
chol
ch→A · o→I · l→C
AIC
chor
ch→A · o→I · r→O
AIO
chol
ch→A · o→I · l→C
AIC
keol
k→L · e→U · o→I · l→C
LUIC
chy
ch→A · y→NOVEM
ANOVEM
chty
ch→A · t→P · y→NOVEM
APNOVEM
daiin
d→OCTO · a→E · i→S · i→S · n→R
OCTOESSR
otchor
o→I · t→P · ch→A · o→I · r→O
IPAIO
chan
ch→A · a→E · n→R
AER
daiin
d→OCTO · a→E · i→S · i→S · n→R
OCTOESSR
chotchey
ch→A · o→I · t→P · ch→A · e→U · y→NOVEM
AIPAUNOVEM
qoteeey
q→QUATTUOR · o→I · t→P · e→U · e→U · e→U · y→NOVEM
QUATTUORIPUUUNOVEM
chokeos
ch→A · o→I · k→L · e→U · o→I · s→B
AILUIB
chees
ch→A · e→U · e→U · s→B
AUUB
chr
ch→A · r→O
AO
cheaiin
ch→A · e→U · a→E · i→S · i→S · n→R
AUESSR
chokoiShe
ch→A · o→I · k→L · o→I · i→S · sh→M · e→U
AILISMU
chor
ch→A · o→I · r→O
AIO
cheol
ch→A · e→U · o→I · l→C
AUIC
chol
ch→A · o→I · l→C
AIC
dolody
d→OCTO · o→I · l→C · o→I · d→OCTO · y→NOVEM
OCTOICIOCTONOVEM

Tests indicate that glossolalia's rank are lower on entropy tests for language.  So I decided since I can gain access to my glossolalia of words through You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.to run an entropy test for language.  The test was done on half of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and it rated 3.69596.  While English ranks a 4.5.  Lower entropy means the next word is easier to predict.  This seems about right in a glossolalia there is much repetition going on.


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What exactly do you mean by glossolalia? Because VMS is far too structured for normal glossolalia; that has already been proven.

(13-04-2026, 10:50 AM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What exactly do you mean by glossolalia? Because VMS is far too structured for normal glossolalia; that has already been proven.

You are wrong! I think you mean its impossible for a glossolalia so you don't know what your talking about.

Quote:No, the theory that the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is a form of glossolalia (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) has not been disproven. Instead, it remains a serious, albeit debated, hypothesis that explains the manuscript's internal structure without requiring a coherent language, with some analyses even suggesting it closely parallels glossolalic patterns. 

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Quote:No Consensus: Because the manuscript has never been deciphered, no theory—including glossolalia—has been proven or disproven definitively

ATTENTION: EVERYONE I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE ON MY DETAILS I HAVE LINED UP THAT SHOULD THRILL YOU!

I have made a break through and when you are done reading this emotions will run high.  I feel this post may change your perception either too totally scoff at this or you will have intrigue.  The evidence is not a winding road.  One evidentiary state of facts opens up a new look at this book.  Yes words, coding, imagery and an era all play a part. 

My choice of Latin was for three reasons.  The main reason was the amount of core glyphs from voynich was key.  The core voynich glyphs comprise about twenty that are used. Latin uses 24 on average, yet the least often are rare so I'm using a straight across 20/20 for glyphs to letters.  Latin would be the source language of the person recording tongues, but of course no sensible words only rarely.  They would repeat and when recording the words to dictionary to later write into a manuscript the structure of a constructed language that's loose for rules could be understood for low entropy.  The glyph script was to show off an Angelic feel for the one who new the language that underlined the script of glyphs.

The other reason I'm using a Latin frequency list is this text is what I believe the author of the dictionary base "tongue" words came from. The exception is with 4,8 and 9, he may have been autistic and used them as short hand in the dictionary. He then transferred the numbers over into the made up script which he memorized to read in front of priests maybe, speculation as always in this study.  I believe the author could read the voynich.  Anyone could memorize a Latin based system applied to a foreign based glyph system and utter the words even if they did not make sense.  My guess he approached the priests at Church's maybe saying he wrote down "speaking in tongues" and this was the angelic text. 

3rd reason is I found two Latin words and one in the Voynich margin and folio.
On You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I found You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. means apart from in Latin.  I already stated that LAIO was L apart from AIO and it was L was abbreviated for Latin.  That aio meant to tell and relate yet no meaning.  As You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. goes meaning "apart from".

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And I found You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. means You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in Latin in the margin where there's a little crumb of food next to it.  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. found You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in tongues for eva shcfhor You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is October 1006 and this is logic.

Quote:3. The Month Abbreviation: October 1006
Old ledger entries, an "O" After a year would indicate the month of October (Octobris).

• MVI = 1006
  
• O = October
  
• Interpretation: "October, 1006."
  

I looked this up.

In Around October of 1006:

Quote:

• The Supernova of 1006: Throughout the year, including the autumn, the brightest supernova ever recorded (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) was visible in the skies, having appeared in May in the constellation Lupus. It was so bright that it was described by observers across Europe, China, Japan, and Egypt, and it remained visible for months.
  

Quote:The aspect of this rock art panel that caught my attention was the figure at upper left, which resembles other Hohokam glyphs thought to represent scorpions. It is an oriented figure facing right with what appear to be chelae (hinged pincer-like claws), legs, and a tail. These are creatures with which the desert-dwelling Hohokam would have been very familiar.  The juxtaposition of figures that could plausibly be interpreted as a scorpion and bright sky object, in their relative positions, immediately reminded me of the positions of the classical constellation Scorpius and the bright supernova recorded by European and Chinese astronomers that first appeared in the night sky in the early hours of 1 May 1006 CE. The object would have been visible from the location of the petroglyph, rising some 20 degrees above the southern horizon just before midnight. With a peak visual brightness of magnitude -7.5, it outshone every other object in the night sky. For the inhabitants of the area, it would have been an unforgettable sight.

This plant of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. could be a green super nova with a dragon exhaling the foliage.  This leads up to the word I'm showing you which could move the whole date of the MS-408.  If you carefully look at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. it does look like an exploding star and a dragon would be breathing fire. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Represents the year 1006 and October month in Latin of the Super Nova.  I don't doubt that's when the Voynich was created.  Yet there have been mistakes in carbon dating.  There is a very big star theme in the voynich besides the herbal and a supernova, the one they spoke of for 1006 could of stoked "speaking in tongues".  I don't think I'm pushing the speculation to far, the evidence is in the text.  There is only one occurrence of MVIO so excluding the tongues and pushing a year from logic and imagery as-well.  There is some religious themes in the Voynich a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. The manuscript does push the star theme quite a bit.

I think the closest images to a star being a supernova in MS-408 are You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..

There could be meaning here in this one instance.  The You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in the margin indicates aYou are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..  It could be a date maybe.





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Key details regarding the appearance of SN 1006:
Color Changes: Arab scholar accounts indicate the star's color shifted as it faded, starting as a faint greenish-yellow before becoming whiter.[/quote]


I ended the post but I have further evidence from the MS-408.  The supernova was in the lupus-Scorpius area 1006.  Folio 67v2 shows a sun a star rising out of a pipe and a constellation in the shape of a j known as Scorpius.  The middle is green could be supernova.  Just view the image I brought in.  What are your views on this?
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Quote:Yes, the Lupus constellation features a distinct triangle-shaped asterism within its boundary, which is often used to mark the head of the wolf.
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The Triangle Shape: The head of Lupus is defined by a triangle of stars, specifically Eta Lupi, Theta Lupi, and Chi Lupi.
Location: Lupus is a southern hemisphere constellation, bordered by Scorpius (the scorpion) and Centaurus.

What is very symbolic about You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is the green dragon expelling or exhaling the greenest plant of the voynich, like an exploding star in which MVIO happens to be in the text. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.also looks like it could be a supernova.

[quote]Some historical accounts suggest the 1006 supernova appeared with a greenish-yellow or "pale blue" tint as it changed colors during its months-long visibility. While Chinese observers often described it as yellow and extremely brilliant, other records indicate it was a dazzling, shifting color.

This is extremely bold to you the reader.  I cannot deny the code, the rare words in Latin in the margin, the identical imagery for the theme of a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and the History.  This conlang, speaking in tongues 1 to 1 substitution has given the voynich somewhat a meaning and time that I think cannot be refuted.  Carina is the hull of the ship!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I found a rare Latin word in folio 25v chkear with my code You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.- You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..  

1. [of a ship] a hold, hull
   
2. a small ship, boat
   

3. Quote:Yes, the constellation Carina contains a prominent, roughly square-shaped asterism

   
   

.  This word came out of the same folio 25v where MVIO came from.
4, 

Quote:Yes, the Carina constellation represents the keel (or hull) of the ship Argo Navis,

Now looking at the constellation positions and the folioYou are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. what are the odds of Latin code words in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. for ships hull carina and MVIO supernova pointing to f67v2?  I believe I have a partial solution for the Voynich Manuscript!

Suggesting that they constellation the four corners:
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The map below with the sun and moon rising and setting gives the meaning you could see the supernova day and night.

Quote:Yes, you can see the constellation Scorpius in October, but only for a very short time just after sunset, low on the southwestern horizon. It is a summer constellation that departs the sky by mid-September in the northern hemisphere, but the bright, red heart star Antares can still be spotted in early October.

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I don't know how you go from ALUEO to Carina, but the name "Carina" is modern. This part of the Sky was always known as Argo, or Argo Navis, until it was broken up into three pieces in the 18th century.