The Voynich Ninja

Right, but we have to define the solution space and that will be extremely limiting. At the very best, AI will just be better than us at testing hypotheses. But if our hypotheses are wrong or untestable, it won't help us find a solution.

New findings on the abecedarium (EVA) font. Scientists in Prague discovered a unique university auditorium from the 15th century, where they discovered a large number of signs, numbers, astronomical figures and the David's shield under the plaster. On the pillar in the middle of the auditorium, they uncovered an ornamental inscription in the alphabet (EVA), translated as debt. On the column were the names of students who owed money for university lectures. The auditorium was intended for the teaching of mathematics, geometry and astronomy, the lecturer was the internationally recognized thinker Ioannes Andreae dictus Schindel. Czech scientists discovered the identical script (EVA) - in which VM is written - on a rock plateau in Bohemia. A rock inscription says that there is a "Ceremonial Temple" where open-air church ceremonies with ceremonial fires took place. Detailed information and photos can be found on the website You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Based on the evidence presented, everyone can make their own judgment about the reality of the origin of the alphabetic font (EVA), the VM manuscript and its translation.
Description of the photos:
Alphabetical library in the university auditorium in Prague, 15th century
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David's shield in the university auditorium in Prague, 15th century
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(09-03-2023, 02:37 PM)MarkWart Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.New findings on the abecedarium (EVA) font. Scientists in Prague discovered a unique university auditorium from the 15th century, where they discovered a large number of signs, numbers, astronomical figures and the David's shield under the plaster. On the pillar in the middle of the auditorium, they uncovered an ornamental inscription in the alphabet (EVA), translated as debt. On the column were the names of students who owed money for university lectures. The auditorium was intended for the teaching of mathematics, geometry and astronomy, the lecturer was the internationally recognized thinker Ioannes Andreae dictus Schindel. Czech scientists discovered the identical script (EVA) - in which VM is written - on a rock plateau in Bohemia. A rock inscription says that there is a "Ceremonial Temple" where open-air church ceremonies with ceremonial fires took place. Detailed information and photos can be found on the website You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Based on the evidence presented, everyone can make their own judgment about the reality of the origin of the alphabetic font (EVA), the VM manuscript and its translation.
Description of the photos:
Alphabetical library in the university auditorium in Prague, 15th century

David's shield in the university auditorium in Prague, 15th century

The symbol you highlighted is not from the Voynich script. The Voynich symbol is EVA-t is more like:

4P

where the left side loop is angular and where the right side loop is curved.

I have seen 4P before in places elsewhere, so this is far from being a proof.

(09-03-2023, 03:11 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(09-03-2023, 02:37 PM)MarkWart Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.New findings on the abecedarium (EVA) font. Scientists in Prague discovered a unique university auditorium from the 15th century, where they discovered a large number of signs, numbers, astronomical figures and the David's shield under the plaster. On the pillar in the middle of the auditorium, they uncovered an ornamental inscription in the alphabet (EVA), translated as debt. On the column were the names of students who owed money for university lectures. The auditorium was intended for the teaching of mathematics, geometry and astronomy, the lecturer was the internationally recognized thinker Ioannes Andreae dictus Schindel. Czech scientists discovered the identical script (EVA) - in which VM is written - on a rock plateau in Bohemia. A rock inscription says that there is a "Ceremonial Temple" where open-air church ceremonies with ceremonial fires took place. Detailed information and photos can be found on the website You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Based on the evidence presented, everyone can make their own judgment about the reality of the origin of the alphabetic font (EVA), the VM manuscript and its translation.
Description of the photos:
Alphabetical library in the university auditorium in Prague, 15th century

David's shield in the university auditorium in Prague, 15th century

The symbol you highlighted is not from the Voynich script. The Voynich symbol is EVA-t is more like:

4P

where the left side loop is angular and where the right side loop is curved.

I have seen 4P before in places elsewhere, so this is far from being a proof.

Perhaps this could be an encoding compared, to F->Te P->Ke. 

This is very speculative but I'd wish a scholar could quickly glanced over it.

I wasn't very clear, perhaps the EVA T=QX (not EVA X but potentially EVA Q) or another character combination

(10-03-2023, 03:16 AM)Addsamuels Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I wasn't very clear, perhaps the EVA T=QX (not EVA X but potentially EVA Q) or another character combination

It it possible that the VM glyphs would be found in Prague. The connection with Prague has been established, but the linguistic and orthographic connection was not established. As the authors of the Czech theory pointed out, the alphabet was not Old Bohemic. It was also not ancient Venetic, as they suggested.

I have found similar glyphs in the 15th century manuscripts written in Slovenia, one was written by a Czech monk in Stična monastery, the other by German Carthusian Johanes Nieder in Pleterje Charterhouse.
The Czech manuscript Tractatum de Husite (written about 1440) is showing several features found in the VM, including minims with upward turned flourish of different length, the 8-shaped d letters (both plain and with a short tail), the 9 shaped letter that is used for Latin abbreviation, and a similar form used for G, and for Q. There is also a 4-shaped glyph in the Latin writing which is distinct from the Latin abbreviation for -orum, and from similarly shaped letter Q.
I was not able to find the glyph EVA designated for T, however the shape is quite similar to the Glagolitic letter. It is a known fact that Croatian Glagolitic monks were imported to Prague when the University there was established.
I have done some quick comparison with the letters on Prague frescoes:
1. EVA T seems to be used for Latin T - the origin of the shape might be from the Glagolitic alphabet used in Croatia and some parts of Slovenia in the 15th century.[attachment=7242]

2. EVA q  - I found similar shape in the Latin writing by a Czech scribe in Tractatur husite from cca.1440 written in Stična monastery. It appears very seldom, only in Latin writing by two different scribes.
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It seems to be the same author that wrote Stična Codex (see comparison). The style of writing and many letter-forms are similar to the VM.[attachment=7244]

3. EVA y - 9 -   There might be some German connection. Many letter in the Alphabetum, written in Latinby German Carthusian John Nieder in the mid-15th century in Pleterje, Slovenia,are similar to the VM glyphs, including the 9-shaped letter used for Latin abbreviations. [attachment=7245] 


There was a strong historical and linguistic connection between Czeck and Slovenian people and language. Many Czech monks found refuge in Slovenia during Hussite war.

In my opinion, the letters on Prague frescoes could be Voyniches, the language could be the one that developed in the regions of ancient Venetic lands, but the translation the Czech authors are offering is wrong, mainly because both Czech and Slovenian were much better developed, and the words in the VM are longer than just a syllable.

Nothing can convince VM fans. The basis for deciphering VM is represented by the medieval regimen sanitatis written in Latin from the 15th century by Prague university masters.
I present another translation by Czech scientists from the website: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Page 77V Description:
How the human body works.
Text at the top of the illustration:
1) Our life is a sign of wisdom
2) We are not immortal
3) Nodulation (clogging) is the cause of death
4) The basis is air, which gives the necessary properties
5) The basis is the center (the inside of the body)

(16-03-2023, 03:03 PM)MarkWart Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Nothing can convince VM fans.

I am sure Gerard Cheshire, Ahmet Ardic, Rainer Hannig and many others would agree with you. Although each of them, like you, would say all of the others are wrong.

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There's also qo to the bottom left, what's it's meaning in the context?