The Voynich Ninja

The link to the full page is included in my previous post.

The scene is from Revelation 12:

1A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth.

Of course my attention to this page was drawn by the similarity between the VM cluster with its curvy line and this dragon's tail with the same number of stars that are additionally drawn smaller than the rest. The takeaway for us is, I guess, that seven stars may also indicate an arbitrary group of stars. Apart from the presence of the moon and star shenanigans, there is not much in the VM diagram to suggest a link with Revelation. 

Of course, everything is possible. But the Voynich star-cluster is individually labelled by a single word, as the wavy line.
The group of stars in the Revelations and the dragon's tail are described together by a longer sentence (8 words).
The single-word labels in the VMS illustration suggest that the cluster of stars and the wavy line represent concepts that are specific enough to have well-defined names.

On the subject of seven stars, there is a similar cluster in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., though these are arranged more in a circle. 

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I don't know what these stars mean. The planets seems unlikely since the Sun and Moon are presented separately in the same image.

The manuscript has been discussed before for its You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. of the muses. There are also this uYou are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..

Quite some time ago, René (I think) offered a tentative explanation for the imagery of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (cross-nymph, fish mouth, pond creatures). At the time I disagreed with anything looking for a Christian theme in the MS, but since then my views have changed dramatically. I wanted to see this thread again, but I am unable to find it. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Could it have been lost in the server crash event or am I just bad at searching?

Could it be You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. one?  Or one of the others in the same thread?

Thanks, that was it. I must have missed it because in my memory (of five years ago) it was the first post of a new thread. The crucial part I was interested in is the fish as the mouth of hell, for which Rene refers to Velinska. 

I was reminded of this hypothesis when I came across the following fresco:



This is from the Santa Caterina basilica, Galatina (Apulia). This is all the way down in the "heel" of Italy's boot. The city has an extensive Wiki in Italian, but only a few lines in English. Yet the frescos of its basilica almost rival those in Assisi.

Note how in this type of art, the souls of the dead who are not (yet) in heaven are represented by nude, blond women.

Where are the medieval brunettes? What do they represent?

You're not calling that a fish, are you? It has ears, a forelimb, and opposable phalanges. It either has a cape or it's a bat-like monster, a vampire.

I searched for old Melusine. There's a lot more useless 'stuff'.

About hair color, it doesn't necessarily represent anything. Well, some things. Red can be bad, associated with Judas and sin. And there is a strong tendency to give blond hair to souls, angels, the blessed... But none of those things are set in stone.

Regarding the hell mouth, Rene had apparently based his proposal on something written by Ellie Velinska, but unfortunately her blog is down. I would have liked to see how she reached her conclusion.

I have taken 1 hour on the subject of the importance of hair color.
Here it still seems to be dependent on time.
As Koen describes it, red was considered for Judas, or in league with the devil. But this changes after 1400. red or red gold was considered noble.
Blond the color of innocence. Angels are often drawn with blond hair, but actually it should possibly be golden hair. It is called "with golden hair" and not blond.
Further, a feature in the VM. In the past, only unmarried girls were allowed to wear their hair open, married ones headscarf or hood. This seems to me also a characteristic for innocence in the VM.

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(08-11-2021, 12:15 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Regarding the hell mouth, Rene had apparently based his proposal on something written by Ellie Velinska, but unfortunately her blog is down. I would have liked to see how she reached her conclusion.

Hi Koen,
possibly the source is the October 22 2014 post about Purgatory:

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