The Voynich Ninja

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I hope that this book might spark some new vocations. As for the proposed solution, open and free discussions with its author, could surely advance the global understanding of the manuscript.
Rob, take a look at searcher's (Yulia May's) efforts to wrestle the VMS into Latin (taking into consideration common Latin abbreviations).

Of all the people who have tried it (and posted their solutions), I think this is the most honest and educated attempt:

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Even if the result doesn't work as good Latin, it's very revealing...

Reading through it makes very clear how repetitive and awkward the combinations of glyphs are in the VMS in relation to Latin (or any language). This is not searcher's fault, this is a property of the VMS text that many "solvers" fail to acknowledge (e.g., Cheshire, Lockerby, and others).


Paul Weiler's idea is not new or unusual. He's walking down the same path as searcher, but Weiler has less knowledge of Latin and doesn't have enough practical knowledge of scribal conventions to write about them yet.

Many people who are familiar with Latin scribal conventions (and its context-sensitive nature) have tried to interpret the VMS as Latin, as have numerous people who don't understand Latin very well (or at all).
Hello from Paul Weiler.
 
It is true, I have withdrawn the book from publication because obviously too many erroneous claims were made. At the moment I am in the process of having the book expertly checked by an institute for medieval Latin philology. I should rather have done this before publication, it was an idiotic mistake. I apologize for that.
 
How and whether the book is then continued depends on the result of the check. Also a check regarding the general statements about the Voynich manuscript seems to me to be appropriate again.
 
Nevertheless, I am still convinced that I have found some interesting traces. Some of them I have already published on Reddit (despite all possible errors). By the way, there is a fourth post (4/9), which obviously got lost in the excitement. But there won't be any more there.
 
Detached from the still to be reviewed claim, that it is indeed possible (at least within the framework of many remaining ambiguities) to decipher the text to some extent, I would like to present here four findings which, in my opinion, could be useful as further research approaches, even if the path to these findings will prove to be purely imaginative. However, I am not sure whether these theories are really completely new.
 
Theory 1:
 
Some deciphered text passages from folio 71r (zodiacal sign of Aries) indicate (in contrast to the strange world of images), that terms appear here which indicate activities within the scope of agriculture. After doing some research an interesting conclusion could be drawn from this.
 
Perhaps this zodiacal drawing is intended as an instruction for which tasks have to be executed in the time of the zodiacal sign of Aries within the framework of annual field work. Such a calendar with individual month images was very widespread in the Middle Ages. They existed not only for agriculture, rather more, for example, also for viticulture.
 
If all twelve drawings of the zodiac in the Voynich Manuscript are supposed to represent such agricultural month images, then a plausible hypothesis about the absence of the drawing for Aquarius and Capricorn could be deduced from this. These signs of the zodiac stand for the time period from the end of December to the end of February, when field work is normally suspended. Reporting about the care and treatment of plants and soil for this time period is therefore simply superfluous.
But the situation in Spring is however completely different. From the end of March to the end of May, most of the work in agriculture has to be done, where the soil has to be loosened, ploughed, cleared of weeds, fenced in and fertilised, the seeds have to be sown and many other things have to be completed. Therefore, when Aries and Taurus which both represent this time each occur twice, then this could simply be due to the large number of activities which have to be listed and which then required two zodiacal drawings.
 
Theory 2:
 
Almost all paragraphs of the Voynich manuscript begin with one of the four characters with ascenders. Some deciphered text passages indicate that this initial letter often does not belong to the first word at all.
 
This finding leads to the conclusion that the character with ascender at the beginning of a paragraph must have an independent, special meaning (and also because otherwise every paragraph would have to be "bent" linguistically to a beginning with these four initial characters). One possibility would be that these characters are used here as abbreviations for classification comments such as topic, thesis, paragraph or comment.
 
Another assumption, however, is that the consistent utilisation of characters with ascenders as initial letters for page and paragraph beginnings is basically just an element of design and/or deception within the context of the cipher which was utilised. Unless the word in question still commences in any event with a character with ascender, it was simply preceded by such a written character without any semantic content.
 
An additional indication for this theory can be found on the first page of the Voynich Manuscript (Folio 1r). In this position, at the beginning of the first paragraph, there is a character located with ascender which presumably belongs to the corresponding initial word. The second and third paragraphs, however, commence with a character without an ascender. These words are respectively preceded by an initial character written in red ink, which (at least for my taste) cannot exactly be designated as an artistic masterpiece.
This presumably was an attempt, which was subsequently dropped again afterwards, to place a special graphic element in front of each paragraph of the manuscript. The author obviously also disliked the result created and, with the exception of the first page, these characters never appear anywhere else in the manuscript again. A character with an ascender was alternatively utilised, in each case, as a paragraph starting character.
 
Theory 3:
 
According to some (ambiguous) results, the word sequence 8ain, which occurs so frequently, could stand (apart from one other meaning) for the Latin word “deinde” (then, next, thereon…).
 
But completely detached from any concrete solution: It is at least probable that in a text without any punctuation there must be some kind of instrument to structure individual trains of thought. The recognizable paragraphs in the manuscript are far too long to do without a structuring instrument. I don't mean a full stop, since sentence ends are usually clear, but rather an element as a substitute for the funciton of a comma, semicolon or colon.
 
In this respect it is likely that at least one of the frequently occurring character strings stands for such a function.
 
Theory 4:
 
Nobody likes ambiguity (perhaps apart from politicians and lawyers  Wink ). 
But when it comes to a writing
 
a) that often has the same character sequences one after the other, as it does not occur in any real language
b) that probably comes from a time, when an ambiguous system of abbreviations with regard to individual signs that can only be resolved in context was the order of the day
c) where it was probably the intention of the author to invent a secret code as complex as possible,
 
shouldn't then not every solution that claims a 1:1 solution for the individual characters be viewed critically. Please do not misunderstand this theory as a defense of my work. I mean it basically: The resolution of the individual Voynich characters must be ambiguous for the reasons mentioned above (in particular, argument (a)). In my eyes this is not a weakness, it is a basic requirement of any solution system. Otherwise it cannot work consistently throughout the hole Voynich manuscript (as long as I assume a meaningful content).
 
 
I hope that these four theories represent constructive contributions.
(21-05-2020, 04:46 PM)PaulW Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Theory 2:
 
Almost all paragraphs of the Voynich manuscript begin with one of the four characters with ascenders. Some deciphered text passages indicate that this initial letter often does not belong to the first word at all.
 
This finding leads to the conclusion that the character with ascender at the beginning of a paragraph must have an independent, special meaning (and also because otherwise every paragraph would have to be "bent" linguistically to a beginning with these four initial characters). One possibility would be that these characters are used here as abbreviations for classification comments such as topic, thesis, paragraph or comment.

By chance I recently looked at the statistics of paragraph-initial characters, and there are a surprisingly large number that do not start with the tall characters (usually called gallows).

That these characters are likely to be taken separately, and are not really part of the first word, is certainly a reasonable hypothesis. It has been long suspected.
Hello, Paul, welcome to the forum.

Some thoughts...

(21-05-2020, 04:46 PM)PaulW Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. But the situation in Spring is however completely different. From the end of March to the end of May, most of the work in agriculture has to be done, where the soil has to be loosened, ploughed, cleared of weeds, fenced in and fertilised, the seeds have to be sown and many other things have to be completed. Therefore, when Aries and Taurus which both represent this time each occur twice, then this could simply be due to the large number of activities which have to be listed and which then required two zodiacal drawings.

I agree that month's labors were a highly recurrent theme in medieval manuscripts, especially in almanacks, psalters, and books of hours that included illuminated calendars.
Keep in mind that the duplicated zodiac figures (the Aries and Taurus figures) have 15 nymphs in the circles surrounding them, in contrast to the other non-duplicated ones that have 30 each. So, the duplication may not mean "more" in a subjective sense, they may simply have been spread out as two halves of a whole.
Also consider the fact that harvest time is very busy in terms of agricultural work and yet the harvest months were not duplicated.

Quote:This finding leads to the conclusion that the character with ascender at the beginning of a paragraph must have an independent, special meaning (and also because otherwise every paragraph would have to be "bent" linguistically to a beginning with these four initial characters). One possibility would be that these characters are used here as abbreviations for classification comments such as topic, thesis, paragraph or comment. 
Another assumption, however, is that the consistent utilisation of characters with ascenders as initial letters for page and paragraph beginnings is basically just an element of design and/or deception within the context of the cipher which was utilised. Unless the word in question still commences in any event with a character with ascender, it was simply preceded by such a written character without any semantic content.


It's my belief that most of the ascenders, the "gallows" characters at the beginnings of paragraphs are probably pilcrows, for a variety of reasons (I've blogged about this). I am less certain about the red initials on folio 1r being pilcrows. They may be ornamented initials (I have a 95% finished blog about the "red weirdos". I have already pointed out their similarity to Greek and Spanish letters, but I have more information I need to post so people can review the idea).
 
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According to some (ambiguous) results, the word sequence 8ain, which occurs so frequently, could stand (apart from one other meaning) for the Latin word “deinde” (then, next, thereon…).
 
But completely detached from any concrete solution: It is at least probable that in a text without any punctuation there must be some kind of instrument to structure individual trains of thought. The recognizable paragraphs in the manuscript are far too long to do without a structuring instrument. I don't mean a full stop, since sentence ends are usually clear, but rather an element as a substitute for the funciton of a comma, semicolon or colon.
 
In this respect it is likely that at least one of the frequently occurring character strings stands for such a function.

We're swimming in ideas for "daiin" (I have numerous ideas myself). It may take a while to sort them all out and determine which idea works best. I'm still on the fence about it (I see so many possibilities it makes my head spin).
 
 
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Nobody likes ambiguity (perhaps apart from politicians and lawyers  Wink ). 
But when it comes to a writing
 
a) that often has the same character sequences one after the other, as it does not occur in any real language
b) that probably comes from a time, when an ambiguous system of abbreviations with regard to individual signs that can only be resolved in context was the order of the day
c) where it was probably the intention of the author to invent a secret code as complex as possible,
 
shouldn't then not every solution that claims a 1:1 solution for the individual characters be viewed critically.

I think many Voynich researchers agree that 1:1 substitution does not produce natural language. I certainly don't think so.
Might there be abbreviations and ligatures? Yes. The challenge is to figure out which ones they are and what they are.
For example, the problem with interpreting 9 (EVA-y) )in the same way as it was used in Latin is that it is MUCH too frequent, even though it is positioned in the same way in the VMS as it is in Latin. Expanding it to a variety of endings doesn't entirely solve the problem. It's still too frequent. It might not be an abbreviation at all... it might be something else, but that road sometimes leads back to problems like low entropy and 1:1.
Hi Paul ! Do you plan to publish some of your translations on this forum? I'm not talking about your extracts on reddit, but a few words or phrases translated?
(21-05-2020, 04:46 PM)PaulW Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.According to some (ambiguous) results, the word sequence 8ain, which occurs so frequently, could stand (apart from one other meaning) for the Latin word “deinde” (then, next, thereon…).

Hi Paul,
That's a new idea, to me at least, it seems to make some sense, but I think the most common word in fact is daiin - which immediately brings up the question, what are dain and daiiin, especially when strung together?
A slightly different interpretation, it's not duplication. It's pairing. So it's not two halves of a whole, it's the corresponding parts of a pair. Is Pisces first because the Gregorian calendar did not start till 1582? Pisces is a pair of fish, and VMs Cancer is a pair of crayfish. Two pairs of aquatic animals. The medallions of Aries and Taurus are both paired. Two pairs of land animals. And Gemini is the sacred marriage, the pairing of complementary opposites. The first five houses of the VMs Zodiac sequence have pairing presented in their medallions.

As far as winter being slack time, so who cares. The fact of the matter is that where these months would be expected to be, there is a place where a page has been cut out. There are in fact several places where this has occurred in the VMs. And where the missing months are concerned, this is in a sequence where the right hand side of the book is all fold-outs, so potentially four images are missing, which could accommodate those two months split into pairs, or the two months and two other illustrations.

Assumptions should at least try to accommodate the evidence.

And regarding ambiguity, the VMs thrives on it.
Hello Paul

I almost agree with you about the absence of the drawing for Aquarius and Capricorn. For me the VM is about the influence of stars on herbs. Plants don't grow in winter, so those zodiac signs were never drawn. The author doubled Aries and Taurus, when herbs grow fast, to maintain the appearance of the twelve zodiac signs.
 
Regarding gallows as [font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]paragraph starting characters, for me it's the place from where the symbol strings begin to be counted. Represents a place in space. Why do I believe that? Look the left leg of Eva- t and Eva-p. It is the same symbol as Eva-q. It's an arrowhead that moves, goes from bottom to top. Some gallows could represent noon, the highest point of the sun in the celestial sphere.[/font]

[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]As for 8aiin and its variants, for me these symbols represent a very special place and moment. I think about the summer solstice, when you go to the field to collect magic herbs.[/font]

[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]As you can see, I'm a guy with strange ideas. With me you will not get bored.[/font]








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(22-05-2020, 01:36 AM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. As far as winter being slack time, so who cares. The fact of the matter is that where these months would be expected to be, there is a place where a page has been cut out. There are in fact several places where this has occurred in the VMs. And where the missing months are concerned, this is in a sequence where the right hand side of the book is all fold-outs, so potentially four images are missing, which could accommodate those two months split into pairs, or the two months and two other illustrations...


You're right that there are missing pages in the VMS and clear evidence of a cut folio, but the obverse folio to Pisces is a cosmo page, so it is not possible that a folio directly preceding Pisces (e.g., Aquarius) could have been cut.

There is a cut in the folio that is bound in after the archer, so if the VMS zodiac-figures were in an uncommon order (with Aquarius at the end, rather than the beginning) then perhaps folio 74 related to the zodiac sequence in some way.


We are, of course, assuming that the current order is what was intended (it probably was, since the foldouts follow the traditional order).
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