The Voynich Ninja

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To return to your opening post, we are still faced with the problem of finding an original handwriting (autograph) by Agrippa von Nettesheim. Despite his numerous letters, this seems to be a real problem in research. The only most probable, handwritten work by him is the first edition of the "De occulta philosophia" of 1510. (Signature M. ch.q.50 in the University Library of Würzburg.) The later printed editions are, of course, unsuitable for a comparison of the handwriting.

I have emailed the University Library and asked if there is a digitized edition of M. ch. q.50. One will have to wait for the answer.

(08-04-2019, 06:17 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

Quote:why the second column "b" doesn't match to firs column "b". or this is not "b"? maby its a number"3", and opposite first "d" is a number "2"

The second column contains Voynichese symbols, the writer tried to guess correspondence between those and Latin letters, in an attempt of deciphering the text as a plain substitution cipher.

Yes, I agree, that's my impression, as well.

Quote:The "h" in the first row looks very characteristically, I wonder whether the first row can be approximately dated according to the shapes of letters. I also wonder if this handwriting matches that of any known VMS owners. Is not this Sinapius' or Baresch's writing?

You're right. It's a characteristic "h" from a certain time period. Blog here:

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(08-04-2019, 06:25 PM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.To return to your opening post, we are still faced with the problem of finding an original handwriting (autograph) by Agrippa von Nettesheim. Despite his numerous letters, this seems to be a real problem in research. The only most probable, handwritten work by him is the first edition of the "De occulta philosophia" of 1510. (Signature M. ch.q.50 in the University Library of Würzburg.) The later printed editions are, of course, unsuitable for a comparison of the handwriting.

I have emailed the University Library and asked if there is a digitized edition of M. ch. q.50. One will have to wait for the answer.

It is wonderful! I will wait for you to answer. I came to the conclusion that even after reading the books on graphanalysis I can not accurately determine the significant difference between his handwriting and the introductory sheets. (if the handwriting in the manuscript at auction belongs to him)

Quote:You're right. It's a characteristic "h" from a certain time period. Blog here:

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So... say, 1st half of 16th century. But I would draw your attention to the idea that the fact that the row is the leftmost does not mean that it was put down first. In fact, being too close to the right margin of the Voynichese text, I would not be surprised if this row was actually added up the last. What would be natural is that the row of Voynichese glyphs is first added right under the weirdo, then Latin letter options are added to the right. After it becomes inconvenient to use the (insufficient) space in the right, a new Latin row is fitted to the left. The Voynichese row would have been the first to be put down.

What about your dating of the rightmost row? Note that it has a very (?) characteristic "b", inclined leftwards.

... And I should add that it has "8" for "d".

Actually, there are traces of even an additional row to the right of the "fourth" row, but whether it be Latin or Voynichese, I cannot tell.

Simple question: has anyone found by now any confirmed writing from the hand of Agrippa?

I would not expect it to look much like the gothic hand in the Voynich MS marginalia.

Agrippa is of course a fascinating personality, and he has some characteristics that could be relevant. The author of the MS could easily be someone similar to him, yet living at least 80 years earlier.

When I first learned about the Voynich MS, I was also considering him, but even before the C-14 dating, his dates were really not matching.

(08-04-2019, 08:12 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Simple question: has anyone found by now any confirmed writing from the hand of Agrippa?
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That is indeed a problem. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (unfortunately in German).

(08-04-2019, 08:12 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Simple question: has anyone found by now any confirmed writing from the hand of Agrippa?

I would not expect it to look much like the gothic hand in the Voynich MS marginalia.

Agrippa is of course a fascinating personality, and he has some characteristics that could be relevant. The author of the MS could easily be someone similar to him, yet living at least 80 years earlier.

When I first learned about the Voynich MS, I was also considering him, but even before the C-14 dating, his dates were really not matching.

c 14 this is carbon-14 test? this test was with parchment right? what about ink?

(08-04-2019, 06:25 PM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.To return to your opening post, we are still faced with the problem of finding an original handwriting (autograph) by Agrippa von Nettesheim. Despite his numerous letters, this seems to be a real problem in research. The only most probable, handwritten work by him is the first edition of the "De occulta philosophia" of 1510. (Signature M. ch.q.50 in the University Library of Würzburg.) The later printed editions are, of course, unsuitable for a comparison of the handwriting.

I have emailed the University Library and asked if there is a digitized edition of M. ch. q.50. One will have to wait for the answer.

There is a facsimile ed.

De occulta philosophia : Facs. d. Hs. M. ch. qu. 50 d. Univ.-Bibliothek Würzburg
Graz: Akad. Dr.-u.-Verl.-Anst., 1967