The Voynich Ninja

[ Hi! I'm so surprised! If you can find three more "names" of similar writing style "owners" from that time and i will give you a "teacher "name "))) i have three names of his apprentices, i need three more. Pluss more than 50 translations of VM including todays work 88r...there is no such a thing as plants at all (((.I believed there is "something" about...i was wrong, just directions for students and some instructions.
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(06-04-2019, 12:56 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The one that looks like EVA-t has a very old history. In the Middle East, in areas where talismanic incantations were very common, it was one of the characters used for divination and to repel devils.

Yes, sometimes called in French "caractères à lunettes" (the loops make them look like glasses) many of them  in the Papyri graecae magicae cf. ref. 50 in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

Thank you very much Nablator for posting this great book about medieval characters. It seems quite clear that "caractères à lunettes" are astral signs.
   That Roger Bacon defended the characters as legitimate natural magic can explain why the VMS was related to him since the manuscript was known.
 
 I would like to quote in French a paragraph of the book that shows something I think: that the script of the VMS can be a magic visual and astronomical code with no need for words.
   "En effet, si les caractères sont des signes susceptibles d'une efficacité magique en vertu de leur forme, que les met en relation directe avec les astres, il importe en définitive assez peu qu'ils possèdent une signification linguistique ou non".

I can't read French but it's weird that a paper dedicated to magic characters does not contain a single image.

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(04-04-2019, 05:19 PM)rasiratros Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Agrippa lived and worked in Cologne. From the current border with the Netherlands it is 50 km. At that time it was one country.

You're right that Altkölnisch would have been closer to Middle Dutch than Middle High German is, but I read it still had High German influences. And the page you posted is really just Dutch - I'd be very surprised if this was the dialect from Cologne. Probably Helmut can confirm.

Agrippa lived in Netherlands for 5 years 
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Are there significant facts to believe that the author lived in the 15th century and did not use drawings from books in 16th (clothing)?

1. Exemplars that are most similar to the VMS zodiac figures are mostly late-14th and 15th century (I've posted maps to show location and time periods, numerous others have posted examples and specifics).
2. Clothing fits very closely with the zodiac symbols (I've posted articles on tunics and hats, and Koen has posted research specifically on the time period for the overall fashion styles).
3. Radio-carbon dating indicates c. 1404 to c. 1438.
4. The 116v text is consistent with early 15th century scripts (I base this assessment on locating and comparing more than 1,000 similar scripts).
5. The quire numbers are consistent with late-14th-century and 15th-century numeral styles.
6. The labels added to the zodiac figures are harder to assess because there are so few words, but they are probably mid- or late-15th century.
7. T-in-O diagrams died out when people became more familiar with the rest of the globe and with magnetic compasses and were pretty much gone by the mid-16th century.

Those are the ones I can think of quickly while I have a short (very short) lunch break.

I have been watching your blog for 3 years. I found a lot of important things for myself. all that you have posted is might be true. but for me the thread in the question is not lost - why the VM was created? The manuscript could been a 15th centurie's imitation for many reasons. for example 1. because it was an order. 2. it was an order, and it was believed that in the 15th century magic books were more magical. i'm not denied 15th century spirit. It will be strange to find 16th century evidence. but i'll try in another way. 

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(04-04-2019, 08:04 PM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.As far as I remember, according to the McCrone Research Institute report in 2009, the ink was added not long after the vellum was made. Some say, however, that this information is not correct. Unfortunately, the report is no longer available online.

Is there any information on the comparison of ink VM glyfs and Latin letters from the first page?

(06-04-2019, 12:00 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It looks like this page in Collection of alchemical, technical, medical, magic and divinatory tracts is from a translation of the Picatrix.



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Agrippa and his teacher used s and knowledge from the "book of the angel Raziel" in their books. I would like to find one handwritten creation of Argippa to understand the affiliation of sheets from the Collection of Alchemical, Medical, Technical, Medical

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table of contents in the end " & " (of Trithemius, Johannes is a teacher and co-author of books with Agrippa), You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. below right. I asking to give references to books of the 15th century with the similar, please.

Quote:Is there any information on the comparison of ink VM glyfs and Latin letters from the first page?

The McCrone report (referenced above) analyzed the ink of the letter "a" (top right) and concluded that this ink is different from the main text/drawings, from the page numbers, and from the quire numbers.

By the way, it strikes me now that different alphabetical rows in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. are apparently written by different hands. The "a" in question is distinctly different from the "a" in the leftmost row. The "d" in the second to rightmost row (only faintly visible) is different from the "d" in the leftmost row.

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