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(01-12-2016, 09:59 AM)bunny Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.....

I am soon to publish a theory suggesting that all the differing results people find in different languages (by various means) have a common thread and are all to some degree correct...

Bunny


Hello, Bunny, welcome to the forum.

How do you define "correct". What objective measures are you using to determine that the various translations are what the original scribe intended?
Hi all,

This is what I translated for You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..  Use this website Gematria if you wish to check my work, just simply put in the ciphered letters from the cipher I provided @ You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..  And then search for the words or phrase in your upper right google find tool.

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(02-12-2016, 01:53 AM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(01-12-2016, 09:59 AM)bunny Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You can PM me a couple of examples of your choice if you want.


Hi,

I have just had a scan through your results below.  I was attracted to your thread by the title "Lament from the sea" which though from a different folio sounded poetically similar to part of a text I found working in Sanskrit  - "space (ie. the sky), like an ocean with no shore....).  Some results people find seem to be very technical others very poetic, although less making sense as read word for word in English this does seem to be what is found.

I am soon to publish a theory suggesting that all the differing results people find in different languages (by various means) have a common thread and are all to some degree correct.  Your work seems to be going in that direction also and I would like to include your work as an example also, for the "Welsh" translation contents  I know it sounds very outlandish and will no doubt upset many resarchers but it will speak for its self, or not.  I will follow your work with interest and don't be put off by what anyone may say about your methods, that has happened with many researchers many times, your findings do fit the pattern and you are not alone in that.  There is much botany, science etc in the Voynich Manuscript and this is all vital work, but also what appears to be a less than academically explainable overall theme to the manuscript. 

Bunny

Hi Bunny,

Thanks so much and so nice.  Could you include some of my English Gematria translations as-well?
(02-12-2016, 05:19 AM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi all,

This is what I translated for You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..  Use this website Gematria if you wish to check my work, just simply put in the ciphered letters from the cipher I provided @ You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..  And then search for the words or phrase in your upper right google find tool.

Dear Stellar, indeed you can find these phrases, but what about the assertion from Mister Thomas that you can find many phrases and sentences, as he showed? I am ever curious what you respond to this:

Dear ThomasCoon Wrote:I think the issue that Koen and others are seeing is: you can create dozens of logical and coherent sentences using this system. For example, using words #10-15 in your You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. image (xoyi fay oyi laay caaaw say), I can create:

"Eighteen men escape Atlanta Georgia on bridge."
"Crazy deer cause abominations on path."
"Common men used Geico."

And many more sentences. The fact that Biblical sentences are created may not be complete proof: if there are 200-500 possibilities for each word, it is possible to create many different stories.
(02-12-2016, 10:20 PM)Witch Mountain Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(02-12-2016, 05:19 AM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi all,

This is what I translated for You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..  Use this website Gematria if you wish to check my work, just simply put in the ciphered letters from the cipher I provided @ You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..  And then search for the words or phrase in your upper right google find tool.

Dear Stellar, indeed you can find these phrases, but what about the assertion from Mister Thomas that you can find many phrases and sentences, as he showed? I am ever curious what you respond to this:

Dear ThomasCoon Wrote:I think the issue that Koen and others are seeing is: you can create dozens of logical and coherent sentences using this system. For example, using words #10-15 in your You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. image (xoyi fay oyi laay caaaw say), I can create:

"Eighteen men escape Atlanta Georgia on bridge."
"Crazy deer cause abominations on path."
"Common men used Geico."

And many more sentences. The fact that Biblical sentences are created may not be complete proof: if there are 200-500 possibilities for each word, it is possible to create many different stories.
Thankyou Witch Mountain,

Number 1 you have to make some sense out of the whole VMS paragraph and develop a rhythm and correlation to its overall meaning.  Also it should fit the time period of 1443-44.  Thomas's example is very brief from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and it does not take into account f1r's entire meaning.

Thomas should show the letters out of my cipher for each word so that we have a source as I did Big Grin
ThomasCoon Wrote:"Crazy deer cause abominations on path."

/Voynichsolved
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I knew Satan was the Author after I left Dee behind.  Scary stuff indeed.

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(02-12-2016, 10:40 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thankyou Witch Mountain,

Number 1 you have to make some sense out of the whole VMS paragraph and develop a rhythm and correlation to its overall meaning.


Thank you dear Stellar - do you think you developed a comprehensive meaning? It seems that your paragraphs (particularly the last one) are vague and have to stretch a little to create meaning. For example your sentence "Gods Kingdom come and see flames as a betrayal by Solar Chief God made by fire I am he." Doesn't that sound like you are reaching? Why isn't it just "I will set God's kingdom into flames"?

Dear Stellar I am sure you have a wonderful answer!
(03-12-2016, 01:07 AM)Witch Mountain Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(02-12-2016, 10:40 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thankyou Witch Mountain,

Number 1 you have to make some sense out of the whole VMS paragraph and develop a rhythm and correlation to its overall meaning.


Thank you dear Stellar - do you think you developed a comprehensive meaning? It seems that your paragraphs (particularly the last one) are vague and have to stretch a little to create meaning. For example your sentence "Gods Kingdom come and see flames as a betrayal by Solar Chief God made by fire I am he." Doesn't that sound like you are reaching? Why isn't it just "I will set God's kingdom into flames"?

Dear Witch Mountain,

I'm guessing the punctuation marks by which Satan used so we truly don't have a basis for punctuation.  Yes I believe this is what was written as a comprehensive meaning.  Satan refers to our alphabet as a recall of his name so in regards to what is written, I believe I'm on to this idiot of all time.
Quote:Number 1 you have to make some sense out of the whole VMS paragraph and develop a rhythm and correlation to its overall meaning.  Also it should fit the time period of 1443-44.  Thomas's example is very brief from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and it does not take into account f1r's entire meaning.

That is fair Stellar. But I can make a long story also. I didn't use the whole picture you posted (only the first three lines, words 1-25), and I kept the words exactly as you think they should be spelled in the Latin alphabet (ex. 1 = bacix, 2 = ilae, etc.)

I claim that the red blotch on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is an eagle. I can make a "decryption" about the moon landing ("The Eagle has landed"), and JFK's speech which got the US to fund NASA and led to the July 1969 landing. Our win in the space-race caused other nations to doubt communist superiority, and the Voynich scribe (who must have been a prophet like Nostradamus) knew all that, because the Gematria method clearly says:

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(the name of the Apollo 11 lunar module)


What do you think Stellar? I used your exact method and posted all my work. You say the devil wrote the VMS, I say it was Nostradamus. Gematria says that we're both right at the same time. That means there's a problem with Gematria: the system doesn't give just one answer; it gives multiple results that contradict each other.

A good test before claiming that you've found the answer to the VMS is asking: can my system produce multiple answers? Or is the devil (or John Dee) the one and only answer that my method produces? That will be a good litmus test to see if you are correct. Indeed, it is a good test to perform to decide if your solutions are fit to publish.


P.S.
For reference, your original picture is below.
(26-11-2016, 04:57 AM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[Image: f1r-numbered1.png]
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