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• RE: My Voynich Work

  nablator > 16-05-2026, 10:23 PM

  (16-05-2026, 10:00 PM)thevisad Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The reference is in the image I shared on the machine openscad in the corner on the notes regarding the timing model.

  
  Thank you, I feel slightly less stupid now.

• RE: My Voynich Work

  thevisad > 16-05-2026, 10:47 PM

  (16-05-2026, 08:49 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Where do I start? I don't see an article. No explanations in the viewer. What am I missing?

  Not sure if you sorted this out already, but there are two viewers inside the zip in the first post. This provides two different view points to the folios. The volvelle version provides a playback with a visual reference of the wheel as it rotates through the process. The manuscript viewer provides a cross referential view of the folios and the data that is in them at the token level. Select any token to see the interiors. Both viewers are self contained and just require running the html in any browser to view it. I'll add a note in the future versions. 
  
  Thanks!

• RE: My Voynich Work

  nablator > 16-05-2026, 11:32 PM

  (16-05-2026, 10:47 PM)thevisad Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Not sure if you sorted this out already, but there are two viewers inside the zip in the first post.

  
  Yes, no problem with the viewers. They show lines of tokens on pages with some information: volvelle positions, cross reference for tokens with red "*", etc. but they don't explain the logic of the zairja (za’irajah?) procedure, its arithmetic defining the sequence of tokens (I suppose) and which volvelle positions it produces (I suppose).
  
  BTW in both viewers the sequence of tokens doesn't always match the left-to-right, top-down reading order of the VMS. Any reason for this peculiar order?
  
  For example You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. :
  do ldar shotchdy qokchdy opchedy qokol shor ofar fardam
  pochedy tchodain tedaiin y daiin dar chy qoain tair kedair qokody ...
  
  The 1st line is correct, but the 1st token "tchy" is missing, then "pochedy" is actually line 3 word 1, "tchodain" is line 2 word 1, "tedaiin" is line 7 word 1... interesting order:
  
     
  Note: 84 should be okaiin, not otaiin. Mistake in Takeshi Takahashi transliteration.
  
  The sequence of tokens is defined statically in manuscript_data.js:
  {"folio":"f50v"... "lines":[[
  {"w":"do", ...
  {"w":"ldar", ...
  {"w":"shotchdy", ...
  
  The logic for generating the sequence of tokens, is it deterministic? Can you explain it?
  
  Since you claim "This machine layer generates all tokens, with zero residual entropy at 100% token determination" maybe the arithmetical zairja procedure is irrelevant and the logic is entirely mechanical.
  
  Should I start with the machine: what are the wheels, their engravings, are the wheels linked or not? They seem to rotate independently in the 3D model... no gears between the wheels... maybe it is not detailed enough to understand how the mechanism works.
  
  Nice 3D model!
  
     
  
     
  
  Or maybe I should skip all that and jump straight into specific claims of determinism? For example this looks intriguing and simple enough to test quickly:
  
  

  Quote:The gallows arm has 4 modes, uses a delayed mechanism, and shows the committed state of the previous token.

  
  What is the "committed state of the previous token"?
  
  

  Quote:gamma_{t-1} = gallows arm committed state from token t-1 (lagged register)

  
  But the _gamma function is not defined.
  
  Sometimes different gallows follow the same token, for example in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. :
  
     
  
     

• RE: My Voynich Work

  thevisad > 18-05-2026, 12:46 AM

  (16-05-2026, 11:32 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Yes, no problem with the viewers. They show lines of tokens on pages with some information: volvelle positions, cross reference for tokens with red "*", etc. but they don't explain the logic of the zairja (za’irajah?) procedure, its arithmetic defining the sequence of tokens (I suppose) and which volvelle positions it produces (I suppose).
  
  BTW in both viewers the sequence of tokens doesn't always match the left-to-right, top-down reading order of the VMS. Any reason for this peculiar order?
  
  For example You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. :
  do ldar shotchdy qokchdy opchedy qokol shor ofar fardam
  pochedy tchodain tedaiin y daiin dar chy qoain tair kedair qokody ...
  
  The 1st line is correct, but the 1st token "tchy" is missing, then "pochedy" is actually line 3 word 1, "tchodain" is line 2 word 1, "tedaiin" is line 7 word 1... interesting order:

  nablator,
  Thanks for the thorough dig through on everything, I highly appreciate it!  I am almost done with the first full release on site and github with the script repository, grammar and all tools which should hopefully generate even more questions.
  
  The viewers java script was statically assembled and used the Voynichese.com corpora which didn’t have line numbers, but provided an xy coordinate for the word on the page. I think you mentioned the Takesha transcription issue. Since no one knows which is right, all my tools run against each corpus. The system that generated the word order came from geo spatially placing the word on the page. This was a massive headache, but led to some interesting discoveries on the star pages. This was patched correctly in the next javascript release. The wheel data for the words is correct, but the reading order was not, the next version has corrected this by using the IVTFF transcriptions which output via lines. The 3d model version provides a live representation of the actual machine in use when combined with the scripts.
  
  
  
  

  (16-05-2026, 11:32 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Since you claim "This machine layer generates all tokens, with zero residual entropy at 100% token determination" maybe the arithmetical zairja procedure is irrelevant and the logic is entirely mechanical.

  
  The Za’irajah process was determined through a series of verification and ablation tests. The Voynich Volvelle was discovered prior to this and isn’t required for the existing Voynich pages. I am still working out the full process on the Za’irajah and how to use it properly to input the data to the Volvelle. The Za'irjah uses mod 28 for the lookup, mod 35 for the machine level.  I built a version of the lookup data originally that was working, but missing data due to the damage. The original Rosenthal question provided the starting point, since we have the data in Sagittarius. The data from Link earlier and other manuscripts provided enough data to be able to rebuild the look up table.
  
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  (16-05-2026, 11:32 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The logic for generating the sequence of tokens, is it deterministic? Can you explain it?
  
  Since you claim "This machine layer generates all tokens, with zero residual entropy at 100% token determination" maybe the arithmetical zairja procedure is irrelevant and the logic is entirely mechanical.

  
  For the determinism, you select the starting token, the prefix, and then proceed through the dials to progressively select the specific word you are looking to output. I mentioned this in the reply to Ed earlier, but I am not sure if that we really emphasised enough. Each word is a concatenation of the selector state: word_t = concat(prefix, gallows, dial0,dial1,..., dialN, suffix). The word is the machine state readout, and not a lookup into it. This is the core difference I have seen between the Za’irajah and the Voynich Volvelle seems that the same process that drives the Za’irajah also drives the Voynich Volvelle, but the output from each is different. The Za’irajah output a specific set of Arabic letters that came from the lookup table. While we get the token These two images break down the wheel positions and the the process.
  
  
  
  
  
  

  Quote:Should I start with the machine: what are the wheels, their engravings, are the wheels linked or not? They seem to rotate independently in the 3D model... no gears between the wheels... maybe it is not detailed enough to understand how the mechanism works.
  
  Nice 3D model!

  
  
  Thanks!! The 3d model was a stretch goal and really paid off as part of the core process. I make sure that it has the options required to ensure the scripts have a physical shape to work with. As each discovery goes through the verification process, I add that specific item on the model. The 3d model provides the surrounding scripts the geometric shape, to ensure that the machine scripts are bounded by "reality" in the simulation. The tokens you see on the dials correspond to the prefix, interior and suffix of the word based on those images above.
  
  
  
  
  Sean
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