Radim Dobeš > 25-05-2026, 06:32 AM
(23-05-2026, 06:58 AM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(23-05-2026, 12:41 AM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.and further the trace leading to Athanasius Kircher.(22-05-2026, 10:05 AM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Further found pictorial correspondences between the VM and Ethiopian liturgical art.
I must admit that the resemblances are as good as any that we have seen so far.
I am tickled by the idea that the VMS artist may have mis-interpreted halos as wide-brimmed hats (like he apparently mis-interpreted a rosary as a chain of big balls, and a urine sample flask as a perfume or elixir bottle).
Quote:Supports the Ethiopian trace in the VM
It is possible, of course, that the Scribe who drew the VMS pictures was drawing "inspiration" from an Ethiopian book, among all the other books that we have identified as highly probable sources of "inspiration".
But another possibility is that both the VMS artist and that Ethiopian artist drew inspiration from the same source book, possibly through multiple copying steps.
Can we find other books, preferably European, with that same sort of imagery: ladies in tubs up to the waist, with decoration on the tubs that resembles columns and arches?
Quote:connection with the Book of Enoch
The Book of Enoch was only one of the books in the Ethiopian Bible (and it was pre-Christanity, so it did not mention Mary and Jesus, saints, bishops, etc.)
Quote:The correspondences are in the Astronomical part of the VM, which presents the Astronomical part of the Book of Enoch. (30 days a month)
Radim Dobeš > 25-05-2026, 06:53 AM
Jorge_Stolfi > 26-05-2026, 06:25 PM
(25-05-2026, 06:32 AM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The Enoch calendar is an ancient, divinely revealed solar calendar detailed in the pseudepigraphal Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilees. [...] Core Characteristics:364-Day Fixed Solar Year: It consists of exactly 364 days, which is divisible by 7. This means the year has exactly 52 weeks, and every date consistently falls on the exact same day of the week, every single year. [...] each quarter Month 1: 30 days; Month 2: 30 days; Month 3: 30+1 days (This includes the intercalary day) [...]
Jorge_Stolfi > 26-05-2026, 06:37 PM
(25-05-2026, 06:53 AM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.13 Months: It consists of 13 months in total. Uniform Month Lengths: The first 12 months have exactly 30 days each. The 13th Month (Pagumē): The final month, called Pagumē, functions as an intercalary month to wrap up the solar cycle.
Quote:The Ethiopian New Year, called Enkutatash, falls on September 11 of the Gregorian calendar (or September 12 in the year before a Gregorian leap year), marking the end of the local rainy season.
Quote:Ethiopia is the only nation in the world that preserved the Book of Enoch as part of its official biblical canon.
Radim Dobeš > Yesterday, 07:37 AM
(26-05-2026, 06:25 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(25-05-2026, 06:32 AM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The Enoch calendar is an ancient, divinely revealed solar calendar detailed in the pseudepigraphal Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilees. [...] Core Characteristics:364-Day Fixed Solar Year: It consists of exactly 364 days, which is divisible by 7. This means the year has exactly 52 weeks, and every date consistently falls on the exact same day of the week, every single year. [...] each quarter Month 1: 30 days; Month 2: 30 days; Month 3: 30+1 days (This includes the intercalary day) [...]
That is close to what we see in the VMS Zodiac -- but not quite.
One may argue whether the Pisces page has 29, 30, or 31 "things" (depending on whether one counts nymphs, labels, or stars, respectively). But all the other surviving diagrams have 30 "things" (or 15, in each half of Aries and Taurus).
So, in the VMS calendar, either the intercalary days are all clustered in the missing pages, or the "things" are not days but 1/360 of the whole yearly cycle -- like 1 Babylonian degree of arc on the Ecliptic, or ~365.25/360 = ~1.0146 days = ~24 hours and 20 minutes.
All the best, --stolfi
Radim Dobeš > Yesterday, 08:20 AM
(26-05-2026, 06:37 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(25-05-2026, 06:53 AM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.13 Months: It consists of 13 months in total. Uniform Month Lengths: The first 12 months have exactly 30 days each. The 13th Month (Pagumē): The final month, called Pagumē, functions as an intercalary month to wrap up the solar cycle.
This could be compatible with the VMS Zodiac pages, if the Pagumē falls in the missing pages (Capricorn and Aquarius).
However this is different from what you described in the previous post as the Enochian calendar, where the intercalary days are spread over the year, at the end of each quarter.
Quote:The Ethiopian New Year, called Enkutatash, falls on September 11 of the Gregorian calendar (or September 12 in the year before a Gregorian leap year), marking the end of the local rainy season.
That is still OK, because we don't know how the VMS Author determined the month names in the diagrams, so
Quote:Ethiopia is the only nation in the world that preserved the Book of Enoch as part of its official biblical canon.
More precisely, the Ethiopian Christian Church was the only Abrahamic religion that did so. Is it the official religion of the state?
All the best, --stolfi
PS. By the way, the diagram at lower right has an 11-pointed star, instead of a 13-pointed one with one smaller point.
Radim Dobeš > Yesterday, 09:44 AM
Quote:Supports the Ethiopian trace in the VM
Quote:connection with the Book of Enoch
Stefan Wirtz_2 > Yesterday, 11:28 AM
(26-05-2026, 06:25 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[..]
One may argue whether the Pisces page has 29, 30, or 31 "things" (depending on whether one counts nymphs, labels, or stars, respectively). But all the other surviving diagrams have 30 "things" (or 15, in each half of Aries and Taurus).[..]
. (Yesterday, 09:44 AM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[..]Orthodox iconography never depicts historical events in isolation, but always connects them with the prophecy of the coming of the Savior.
(Yesterday, 09:44 AM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The author of VMS hid the baby Jesus behind the edge of the container.
Jorge_Stolfi > Yesterday, 12:57 PM
(Yesterday, 08:20 AM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Pagumē can also be found in the VMS on diagrams. Folio f69f, Ros.
Radim Dobeš > 11 hours ago
(Yesterday, 11:28 AM)Stefan Wirtz_2 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(26-05-2026, 06:25 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[..]
One may argue whether the Pisces page has 29, 30, or 31 "things" (depending on whether one counts nymphs, labels, or stars, respectively). But all the other surviving diagrams have 30 "things" (or 15, in each half of Aries and Taurus).[..]
One may, yes.
I asked Diane O‘D. that before; she did not bother to answer, but picked a year-old comment of mine, which was already discussed, and ranted about it,
so I ask it here again:
What are the relevant elements to count within the „Zodiacs“ circles?
If I count the ladies and their tubs, I come to 29 in the „pisces“ drawing.
Counting the stars there (all!), I come to 31.
Nothing of „30“ within this very first „month“, and for „Aries“ and „Taurus“ it continues just with 15+15, 15+15.
How is that a valid beginning for some 30 days/month-and-some-rest calendar?
(Yesterday, 09:44 AM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[..]Orthodox iconography never depicts historical events in isolation, but always connects them with the prophecy of the coming of the Savior.
Maybe. But you compare here with icons that are surely even 400 years younger than the VMS. This is not validating anything. You could use later works maybe as a proof for a continuing tradition (for example something shown still in 19th century as in 15th century), but not as any „inspiration“ for VMS.
Your icons here show clearly St.Mary and Jesus sitting in a well (aka being a well), but not one figure of VMS looks even distantly like that.
By the way: orthodox (russian, coptic, greek) are heavily loaded with religious signs of all calibers. You can easily find crosses, symbols, Halos, angels‘ wings, religious characters even within such strange and foreign manuscripts like the ethiopians.
VMS shows just 1 „genuine“ cross and nothing of the rest.
(Yesterday, 09:44 AM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The author of VMS hid the baby Jesus behind the edge of the container.
Oh come on…