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The Biological Section as a Vision of the End of Times
Surayya munir isah > 31-12-2025, 10:22 AM
Hello everyone, my name is Surayya. I have a unique perspective on the biological section of the Voynich Manuscript.
Based on Islamic eschatological signs (End of Times), I believe the high number of female figures represents a future era where women significantly outnumber men.
Furthermore, I believe the interconnected pools of water reflect the normalization of actions/sins in the final era, where morality flows like water and becomes common. The script represents the 'Seed' (Male element) and the drawings represent the 'Field' (Female element).
- I look forward to your thoughts.
- I look forward to your thoughts.
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RE: The Biological Section as a Vision of the End of Times
Surayya munir isah > 31-12-2025, 11:30 AM
To add more weight to my perspective, I would like to highlight some visual evidence from the manuscript that suggests female leadership in the end times:- Folio 78v: Shows women on high towers, symbolizing oversight and status.
- Folio 79v: Features a figure holding a symbolic object (scepter), indicating individual authority.
- Folio 81r: Displays the interconnected system, suggesting a functional, governed female society.
- Folio 78v: Shows women on high towers, symbolizing oversight and status.
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RE: The Biological Section as a Vision of the End of Times
Rafal > 31-12-2025, 11:35 AM
Hello,
Could you give some sources confirming that in Islamic eschatology at the final era before Judgement Day women will outnumber men? And what will happen to the men?
And how do you explain Islamic inspirations in Voynich Manuscript? Voynich Manuscript shows in its pictures a lot of European inspirations, especially Italian and German ones. Unlike in modern Germany, there were not many Muslims in 1400s Germany.
Also Muslims (although not all) were generally forbidden to make images of people.
So who could be the author, mixing so freely European and Islamic tropes?
Edit: It looks there is some tradition about women outnumbering men:
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Abu Musa reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “A time will come to people when a man will go around with gold to give in charity,
but he will find no one to accept it, and a single man will be seen followed by forty women seeking refuge with him, due to the scarcity of men and abundance of women.”
So according to it there will be a lot of women but they hardly have power and status
Or it there more about it? -
RE: The Biological Section as a Vision of the End of Times
Jorge_Stolfi > 31-12-2025, 12:47 PM
(31-12-2025, 10:22 AM)Surayya munir isah Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I believe the high number of female figures represents a future era where women significantly outnumber men.
It is a rather extreme sense of "outnumber".
IIRC, the only definitively male figures in the VMS are- [A] the North "angel" on f57v, seen from the back;
- [B] the left half of the Gemini sign on f72r2;
- [C] the "husband" and maybe the two "kids" on that same page, outer band, ~07:30;
- [D] the archer of Sagittarius, f73v;
- [E] the "boy" pulling on the nymph's hair at the very northeast corner of Bio page f80r;
- [F] one or two of the figure in the "Four Seasons of Life" page f85r2.
The [A] "angel" has been assumed to be male only because of the short, disheveled, and standing hair. But some of that hair was obviously retraced, and originally it may have been smooth and drooping along the neck -- like that of many female nymphs.
Cases [B] and [D] had to be male because that was the standard "figurative" code for those Zodiac signs.
As for [F], we now know, almost for sure, that the diagram was (badly) copied from a "meme" with specific origins in Central Europe, which is attested by at least three manuscripts that have been posted here.
As for [E], a good part of the "boy", including his "male" skirt, was drawn by the Boobs Retracer. One can see that the original figure was naked and had a salient breast. So we can strike that out.
That leaves only one confirmed original male figure, namely the "husband" of [C].
Whereas only in the Zodiac section there must have been almost 360 female nymphs...
All the best, --stolfi - [A] the North "angel" on f57v, seen from the back;
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The Biological Section as a Vision of the End of Times
Surayya munir isah > 31-12-2025, 02:52 PM
Hello everyone, my name is Surayya. I have a unique perspective on the biological section of the Voynich Manuscript.
Based on Islamic eschatological signs (End of Times), I believe the high number of female figures represents a future era where women significantly outnumber men.
Furthermore, I believe the interconnected pools of water reflect the normalization of actions/sins in the final era, where morality flows like water and becomes common. The script represents the 'Seed' (Male element) and the drawings represent the 'Field' (Female element).
- I look forward to your thoughts.
- I look forward to your thoughts.
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RE: The Biological Section as a Vision of the End of Times
tavie > 31-12-2025, 03:06 PM
I don't know why you've created a second thread to say the same thing but I'm going to merge them. One thread per theory, please. -
RE: The Biological Section as a Vision of the End of Times
Surayya munir isah > 31-12-2025, 03:37 PM
(31-12-2025, 11:35 AM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hello,
Could you give some sources confirming that in Islamic eschatology at the final era before Judgement Day women will outnumber men? And what will happen to the men?
And how do you explain Islamic inspirations in Voynich Manuscript? Voynich Manuscript shows in its pictures a lot of European inspirations, especially Italian and German ones. Unlike in modern Germany, there were not many Muslims in 1400s Germany.
Also Muslims (although not all) were generally forbidden to make images of people.
So who could be the author, mixing so freely European and Islamic tropes?
Edit: It looks there is some tradition about women outnumbering men:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Abu Musa reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “A time will come to people when a man will go around with gold to give in charity,
but he will find no one to accept it, and a single man will be seen followed by forty women seeking refuge with him, due to the scarcity of men and abundance of women.”
So according to it there will be a lot of women but they hardly have power and status
Or it there more about it?
Thank you for the reference to the Hadith regarding the ratio of women to men. It’s a fascinating eschatological point. However, my main inquiry focuses on the cultural synthesis found in the Voynich Manuscript itself.
While standard Islamic practice often avoided human imagery, the Ilkhanid and Timurid periods (Persian influence) produced many manuscripts with human figures. Furthermore, the 14th and 15th centuries saw a massive transfer of Arabic scientific knowledge into Europe through Spain (Al-Andalus) and Sicily.
My question is: Could the author be a 'Mozarab' or a European scholar living in a frontier region like Southern Italy or Spain, where Islamic botanical and astronomical traditions were being 'Europeanized'? The presence of 'Nymphs' (women) in the baths could be a distorted European interpretation of the Islamic 'Hammam' (bath-house) culture, which was unknown to most Germans at the time. What do you think about this hybrid origin?" -
RE: The Biological Section as a Vision of the End of Times
Surayya munir isah > 31-12-2025, 03:48 PM
(31-12-2025, 12:47 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(31-12-2025, 10:22 AM)Surayya munir isah Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I believe the high number of female figures represents a future era where women significantly outnumber men.
It is a rather extreme sense of "outnumber".
IIRC, the only definitively male figures in the VMS are- [A] the North "angel" on f57v, seen from the back;
- the left half of the Gemini sign on f72r2;
- [C] the "husband" and maybe the two "kids" on that same page, outer band, ~07:30;
- [D] the archer of Sagittarius, f73v;
- [E] the "boy" pulling on the nymph's hair at the very northeast corner of Bio page f80r;
- [F] one or two of the figure in the "Four Seasons of Life" page f85r2.
The [A] "angel" has been assumed to be male only because of the short, disheveled, and standing hair. But some of that hair was obviously retraced, and originally it may have been smooth and drooping along the neck -- like that of many female nymphs.
Cases [B] and [D] had to be male because that was the standard "figurative" code for those Zodiac signs.
As for [F], we now know, almost for sure, that the diagram was (badly) copied from a "meme" with specific origins in Central Europe, which is attested by at least three manuscripts that have been posted here.
As for [E], a good part of the "boy", including his "male" skirt, was drawn by the Boobs Retracer. One can see that the original figure was naked and had a salient breast. So we can strike that out.
That leaves only one confirmed original male figure, namely the "husband" of [C].
Whereas only in the Zodiac section there must have been almost 360 female nymphs...
All the best, --stolfi
Thank you, Stolfi, for that detailed breakdown of the male-to-female ratio in the VMS. Your observation that there is essentially only one confirmed original male figure against hundreds of nymphs is striking and aligns perfectly with the 'Scarcity of Men' theme I am exploring.
In Islamic eschatology (as found in the Sahih Bukhari and other sources), it is prophesied that toward the end of time, 'knowledge will be taken away' and 'men will decrease while women will increase.' The ratio given is often 1 man to 50 women.
My hypothesis is: Could the VMS be an attempt to illustrate this [b]'End Times' scenario from a syncretic perspective? If the author was a scholar (perhaps a convert or a Mozarab) who had access to both Islamic prophecies and European medicinal/astrological traditions, the VMS might not just be a medical book, but a prophetic vision.
The scarcity of men you pointed out isn't just a stylistic choice; it could be the 'key' to the book's theological message. If the 'Boobs Retracer' was trying to make figures look more male, perhaps they were trying to hide the original apocalyptic meaning to avoid trouble with the Church? I’d love to hear your thoughts on whether the VMS could be a 'future-facing' document rather than just a contemporary encyclopedia." - [A] the North "angel" on f57v, seen from the back;
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RE: The Biological Section as a Vision of the End of Times
Surayya munir isah > 31-12-2025, 03:57 PM
(31-12-2025, 12:47 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(31-12-2025, 10:22 AM)Surayya munir isah Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I believe the high number of female figures represents a future era where women significantly outnumber men.
It is a rather extreme sense of "outnumber".
IIRC, the only definitively male figures in the VMS are- [A] the North "angel" on f57v, seen from the back;
- the left half of the Gemini sign on f72r2;
- [C] the "husband" and maybe the two "kids" on that same page, outer band, ~07:30;
- [D] the archer of Sagittarius, f73v;
- [E] the "boy" pulling on the nymph's hair at the very northeast corner of Bio page f80r;
- [F] one or two of the figure in the "Four Seasons of Life" page f85r2.
The [A] "angel" has been assumed to be male only because of the short, disheveled, and standing hair. But some of that hair was obviously retraced, and originally it may have been smooth and drooping along the neck -- like that of many female nymphs.
Cases [B] and [D] had to be male because that was the standard "figurative" code for those Zodiac signs.
As for [F], we now know, almost for sure, that the diagram was (badly) copied from a "meme" with specific origins in Central Europe, which is attested by at least three manuscripts that have been posted here.
As for [E], a good part of the "boy", including his "male" skirt, was drawn by the Boobs Retracer. One can see that the original figure was naked and had a salient breast. So we can strike that out.
That leaves only one confirmed original male figure, namely the "husband" of [C].
Whereas only in the Zodiac section there must have been almost 360 female nymphs...
All the best, --stolfi
"Following up on my previous point, I suspect the VMS might be a [b]syncretic representation of the 'signs of the hour' (signs of the end of the world).
Beyond just the male-to-female ratio, the presence of botanical wonders and strange medicinal baths (the Balneological section) could represent the Islamic concept of 'Al-Ard al-Bayda' (the transformed earth) or the gardens mentioned in eschatological texts.
Furthermore, if we consider the author might be a European physician trained in the 'Arabic' tradition (like those from the School of Salerno in Italy), it explains why we see European-style drawings (nymphs/castles) representing Eastern apocalyptic themes. The 1400s was a peak time for Europeans to study Arabic science while simultaneously fearing the 'end of days.' Could the VMS be a secret handbook for surviving this predicted future of female abundance and medical mystery?" - [A] the North "angel" on f57v, seen from the back;
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RE: The Biological Section as a Vision of the End of Times
Surayya munir isah > 31-12-2025, 04:07 PM
(31-12-2025, 03:48 PM)Surayya munir isah Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
[/b][/b](31-12-2025, 12:47 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
[/b](31-12-2025, 10:22 AM)Surayya munir isah Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I believe the high number of female figures represents a future era where women significantly outnumber men.
It is a rather extreme sense of "outnumber".
IIRC, the only definitively male figures in the VMS are- [A] the North "angel" on f57v, seen from the back;
- the left half of the Gemini sign on f72r2;
- [C] the "husband" and maybe the two "kids" on that same page, outer band, ~07:30;
- [D] the archer of Sagittarius, f73v;
- [E] the "boy" pulling on the nymph's hair at the very northeast corner of Bio page f80r;
- [F] one or two of the figure in the "Four Seasons of Life" page f85r2.
The [A] "angel" has been assumed to be male only because of the short, disheveled, and standing hair. But some of that hair was obviously retraced, and originally it may have been smooth and drooping along the neck -- like that of many female nymphs.
Cases [b]and [D] had to be male because that was the standard "figurative" code for those Zodiac signs.
As for [F], we now know, almost for sure, that the diagram was (badly) copied from a "meme" with specific origins in Central Europe, which is attested by at least three manuscripts that have been posted here.
As for [E], a good part of the "boy", including his "male" skirt, was drawn by the Boobs Retracer. One can see that the original figure was naked and had a salient breast. So we can strike that out.
That leaves only one confirmed original male figure, namely the "husband" of [C].
Whereas only in the Zodiac section there must have been almost 360 female nymphs...
All the best, --stolfi
[b]Thank you, Stolfi, for that detailed breakdown of the male-to-female ratio in the VMS. Your observation that there is essentially only one confirmed original male figure against hundreds of nymphs is striking and aligns perfectly with the 'Scarcity of Men' theme I am exploring.
In Islamic eschatology (as found in the Sahih Bukhari and other sources), it is prophesied that toward the end of time, 'knowledge will be taken away' and 'men will decrease while women will increase.' The ratio given is often 1 man to 50 women.
My hypothesis is: Could the VMS be an attempt to illustrate this [b]'End Times' scenario from a syncretic perspective? If the author was a scholar (perhaps a convert or a Mozarab) who had access to both Islamic prophecies and European medicinal/astrological traditions, the VMS might not just be a medical book, but a prophetic vision.
The scarcity of men you pointed out isn't just a stylistic choice; it could be the 'key' to the book's theological message. If the 'Boobs Retracer' was trying to make figures look more male, perhaps they were trying to hide the original apocalyptic meaning to avoid trouble with the Church? I’d love to hear your thoughts on whether the VMS could be a 'future-facing' document rather than just a contemporary encyclopedia."
"I really appreciate your insightful response, Stolfi. It is an honor to have a researcher of your caliber analyze my hypothesis. Your detailed breakdown of the male-to-female ratio is incredibly thorough and adds a strong visual confirmation to what I was suspecting. Identifying the 'Boobs Retracer' and the specific zodiac codes shows a level of expertise that truly moves this discussion forward.
I also want to clarify that my research isn't strictly limited to a religious perspective. While I use Islamic eschatology as a reference point for the 'scarcity of men,' I view the Voynich Manuscript as a universal document reflecting the broader trajectory of human existence.
I believe the VMS captures a global shift in nature, biology, and society that transcends any single faith. Whether we look at it through the lens of ancient prophecies, biological evolution, or a lost history, the overwhelming presence of women and the strange flora represent a world-wide transformation. I am interested in how the author synthesized these different global traditions into one mysterious vision of our world's past or future. Thank you for taking my theory seriously!" - [A] the North "angel" on f57v, seen from the back;