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Folio 10v Plant Identification
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RE: Folio 10v Plant Identification
Koen G > 25-11-2025, 07:54 AM
Right, isn't that something like V. odorata rather than tricolor? -
RE: Folio 10v Plant Identification
ReneZ > 25-11-2025, 08:20 AM
Yes, I think so. The name is usually just given as 'Viola'. -
RE: Folio 10v Plant Identification
Jorge_Stolfi > 25-11-2025, 08:41 AM
(25-11-2025, 08:20 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Yes, I think so. The name is usually just given as 'Viola'.
Viola odorata is the common violet. Viola tricolor is the pansy (forget-me-not).
Viola odorata (or at least the current garden variety) usually grows in compact clusters of roundish leaves,close to the ground. Viola tricolor grows taller and has elongated leaves, with one sharpish point near the ground and multiple sharpish points higher up.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is almost surely Viola tricolor, because of the shape of the leaves and flowers. Except that the flowers are upside-down...
The scientific name Viola was taken from the common name "violet" or "viola" for the odorata species. I don't think that common name was ever used for any other species, including tricolor. Only modern botanists know that the pansy is a Viola too.
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RE: Folio 10v Plant Identification
Aga Tentakulus > 25-11-2025, 08:58 AM
First, to stay on topic regarding f10v, I have no idea.
I have an example, but the leaves hanging down are missing.
To date, I haven't come across anything better. It's a tough nut to crack.
As for the viola, it was used but is not classic. A classic would be eyebright, which has similar-looking flowers.
I could imagine that they were confused.
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I am certain that You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. was drawn as a bird knotweed.
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Just like in this book as f010r.
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However, f010r does not refer to it as bird knotweed but as deer spring.
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However, this plant has flowers at the end of its stem. Hischsprung is also the name of a disease in infants.
I think the VM author had had enough of the plant books from the copy shops where they just copy but have no idea what they are seeing and drawing. Pseudo plants.
I think he got them from nature and copied them, which is why they are so realistic. But even he could have got something wrong.
Which disease really belongs to which plant? -
RE: Folio 10v Plant Identification
Jorge_Stolfi > 25-11-2025, 09:38 AM
(25-11-2025, 08:58 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I have an example, but the leaves hanging down are missing
Campanula? The flowers are not a good match either. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. Unless it is some other species...
You are not trusting the colors, are you?
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RE: Folio 10v Plant Identification
Aga Tentakulus > 25-11-2025, 10:54 AM
I always try to imagine the plants without colours.
As I said, this is one example where there is a similarity, but no real match.
I hope that chance will bring them my way at some point. -
RE: Folio 10v Plant Identification
Koen G > 25-11-2025, 11:27 AM
Have you guys seen the size of the droop on those leaves? Shouldn't that be the starting point for anyone trying to identify this plant botanically?
(Although, seeing the tuft at the end, I wonder - as so often - if "botanically" is recommended at all). -
RE: Folio 10v Plant Identification
Doireannjane > 28-11-2025, 04:43 AM
I have the plant on 10v identified as Anchusa Cespitosa from Crete because I knew to look there. From what I’ve identified, some plants are from Crete (like the Dittany for example, very distinct) and most appear to be from the Burren. There are some cross over. Truly remarkable, makes me so excited. -
RE: Folio 10v Plant Identification
JoJo_Jost > 28-11-2025, 07:21 AM
@ Koan The way the flowers and leaves are drooping, they may have already wilted when he drew them, or it was midsummer after a dry spell... who knows?
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RE: Folio 10v Plant Identification
JoJo_Jost > 28-11-2025, 08:06 AM
Seriously, does anyone have "willow gentian" (Gentiana asclepiadea)? I think it fits reasonably well.
Shouldn't we start a collection thread for Vonisch plants/real plants? I think that would definitely be exciting... then everyone can take from it what makes the most sense to them...