Anton > 28-08-2017, 05:01 PM
Folio number | Proposed ID | Tops mnemonic | Tops mnemonic code | Roots mnemonic | Roots mnemonic code | References and comments | Matching independent IDs |
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f3r | Aconitum napellus | flowers: hoof, leaves: fish, devils (?) | N | scorpion's tail (?) | R | Pritzel: Moenchkappen, Blaukappenbluemen, Fischerkip, Teufelswurz, English Monkhood; Pliny 27:2: kills scorpions | Steve D |
f7v | Pulmonaria officinalis | leaves: dots | N | none | n/a | Pritzel: Fleckenkraut | n/a |
f25v | Dracaena | dragon | N | none | n/a | Pritzel: Drachenblut; note however that for the beginning of XV c. the Dracaena image is maybe too realistic | O'Donovan |
f33r | Papaver somniferum | leaves: owl | N | sleep/death | U | Pritzel: Eulsatkraut | Finnish biologist |
f54r | Carthamus tinctorius | stems: skirts, leaves: cleaning (?) brushes | N | roots: painting (?) brushes | N or U | Pritzel: Baurenrocken, Buerstenkraut; the plant is known to be used for dye production | O'Donovan |
-JKP- > 29-08-2017, 12:23 AM
Davidsch > 29-08-2017, 01:10 PM
Anton > 29-08-2017, 01:46 PM
Quote:How do you want us to add to the list? As posts to this thread (which would allow space for explanations) or as messages to you (for you to add them at your discretion to the chart).
Quote:Also, do you want only the mnemonic references in this chart, or all the plants?
Quote:And how does one handle differences of opinion about the ID?
Quote:what about plants that look like they MIGHT be mnemonic, but it's hard to tell? This one, for example... the root is reminiscent of a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., but is that intentional or a coincidence (some plants do have roots like this, usually the ones that grow in wetlands or mud)? Does it belong on the chart if it's hard to establish if it's a mnemonic, or if it looks like a mnemonic, but it's not certain what it is?
Anton > 29-08-2017, 02:05 PM
Quote:1) You call this mnemonics but these are very limited properties of a herbal.
Some of these Botanical nomenclatures You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. are f.e. Plant group. Vegetation Form. Flower specs. Presented form of flowering state. Number of leafs/root. habit and surroundings. Coloring. Original classification topology. Usage & Medical listings with year/writer etc. (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. f.e.)
Quote:2) if one would mention the year and source of the suggested name, properties etc., the value of such a list would be increased enormously
3) to link the herbal to today one could mention the herbal and the IPNI from the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
4) an even better list would provide also first occurrence of the suggested species or properties and the oldest originating manuscript as laid down by the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and Howald-Sigerist 1927.
Koen G > 29-08-2017, 04:10 PM
Anton > 29-08-2017, 04:31 PM
Davidsch > 31-08-2017, 03:56 PM
Diane > 13-02-2018, 02:02 AM
-JKP- > 13-02-2018, 02:57 AM
Quote:Diane: What emerged as I worked through the botanical folios (sharing only such material online as I thought might help the linguists and cryptographers), is that these mnemonics are not language-dependent.