(3 hours ago)tavie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thread reopened. I've moved a few posts to the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. so that their points can be debated there. Happily, I managed to do it without breaking anything.
Going forward, I'd like to ask everyone to please use that thread for advancing points specific to the Modern Hoax theory. If you want to argue the watermark is evidence there was a modern hoax, then the Modern Hoax thread awaits you. And if you want to declare that the watermark rebuts the Modern Hoax theory, then the Modern Hoax thread awaits you too.
Let's use this thread as we were for its first half: to learn more about the watermark without triggering a debate about the manuscript's authenticity. If you want the latter, you can find it in the location above.
Frankly, Tavie, this is ridiculous. I've been the moderator of six forums, and several mailing lists in my life, and never done, let along seen, such silly rules as you have implemented. You are going to censor anyone who touches on the possibility that the Voynich, or the Marci letter, might not be old or genuine? People are allowed to discuss a leaf, but NOT allowed to say the leaf might be fake? Even though I had much to add about the watermark...
even identifying it for everyone!... But I am forbidden by you from pointing out implications of the watermark, and the discussion about it, which would imply or even include the possibility that that watermark (and the others in the carteggio and other letters) might be helpful in determining the authenticity of the letter?
And you stripped my posts from this thread? That is so insulting!
Also, this thread, and really most threads on this forum, discuss many topics. This one discussed several in addition to the watermark. So, in essence, they have also broken your own stated rules, and yet you will only censor me?
And also again, you fail to realize that your "1420 Genuine European Cipher Herbal" is actually a theory, not fact. But you treat it as it is a proven baseline for discussion. Yet your theory is on every forum, every thread, and you don't relegate it to just one, as you have for me and anyone who believes this is a modern fake.
As I've said long ago... and I see you don't understand this, or don't care... if it turns out that the Voynich is anything but the what the 1420 Paradigm insists it is, you will never find the answer. You won't allow that possibility, since you will filter it from your discussion.
Mr. Jackson assured me... is he still here?... assured me that this forum would never censor, and would be open to free discussion of ideas, even ones he didn't like. I'm not certain that was ever the case, but it clearly no longer is... at least, under your moderation. This is clearly a "one theory forum" now.
I have long had much to contribute to Voynich research, making and breaking much new and important information and findings... findings which were valuable for everyone, whatever theory they were working on. I have gone out of my way, and spent much time, in many archives, digging up information that has been helpful to many. I have copied passages from rare and hard to find books and documents related to this investigation, no matter what the beliefs of the person I was helping. I still do, and will continue to do so. I've contributed much to this forum, in fact.
But I will not be treated like a child, by you. I will not be told to silence myself and not share the forgery or modern implications of a topic under discussion. That is really hard to imagine, that anyone would require this of any other free-thinking individual.
I have stayed on topic here, so that is
clearly not the problem. The problem is obviously that you do not like my opinion about the on-topic findings... such as the present and future implications of this watermark... and don't want them to sully your version, your opinion, on those findings.
If you only see the Voynich as one thing, it will never be anything else to you, even if it turns out it is. And try as you, or anyone else desires, you can't change what it is through censorship of ideas, or ignoring or dismissing uncomfortable evidence. It is what it is, whatever that is, and if you truly wanted to know, you would allow open discussion and free sharing of ideas... even ones uncomfortable to you.