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A good match, perhaps from the Zürich area...
- A good match, perhaps from the Zürich area...
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RE: A good match, perhaps from the Zürich area...
Koen G > 19-07-2025, 10:45 AM
(18-07-2025, 11:32 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Just looking for the '3' symbol at the end of words.
Maybe on the line with the fifth red letter, there are several.
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I haven't been able to access this all morning. Looks like we overloaded e-codices.
re. meaning in the marginalia: I completely agree with Marco that the words are based on real words, and I believe some of those words can still be recovered. There's noise but also data. Learning about relevant scribal practices will help us distinguish between the two.
Where I do share Bernd's concerns, as I've voiced before, is when people try to read You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. as a coherent message. It's clearly fractured, and may not have any communicative aim. Even if they are doodles or pen tests though, they may still tell us something about what was on the writer's mind at the time, or about their linguistic background. You can bet that anyone who writes the words "so nim" when doodling, has written or read a lot of recipes. And that's fascinating. -
RE: A good match, perhaps from the Zürich area...
R. Sale > 19-07-2025, 05:24 PM
A bit more info: Trying to improve the data base, I searched Latin, 15th century, *not* illuminated, not musical, not fragments. That cuts the pool to c. 200. From these, just look at the ugly ones with lots of abbreviations. I would just pick a page full of text and take a look for "3" symbols and only looking at two or three pages per ms.
Out of the first 50 mss. listed, maybe ten or so examples were good. It seems the symbol "3' is fairly widely used, but very thinly spread. Often only one per page, unless a word is repeated.
Tracking the examples is tedious, and beyond demonstrating existence, is there something further? -
RE: A good match, perhaps from the Zürich area...
Koen G > 19-07-2025, 05:28 PM
If you want to target more specifically, I would focus on the occurrence of the cz ligature in vernacular texts. It would be interesting to find out where it occurs. -
RE: A good match, perhaps from the Zürich area...
Aga Tentakulus > 19-07-2025, 06:10 PM
In German, it's clear with ‘tz’.
“ez” stands for ‘es’. ‘z’ stands for double ‘ss’ or sharp ‘s’.
Or also as the ending ‘ss’ like the one that looks like a ‘B or 8’.
I don't know about Latin. -
RE: A good match, perhaps from the Zürich area...
Aga Tentakulus > 19-07-2025, 06:48 PM
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RE: A good match, perhaps from the Zürich area...
Aga Tentakulus > 19-07-2025, 06:53 PM
What else should be taken into account?
At the top it says "bet 3 P N (pater noster/Our Father) and 3 Ave Maria.
Here it is the number 3. -
RE: A good match, perhaps from the Zürich area...
Koen G > 19-07-2025, 07:08 PM
I noticed the same today in a word "betzalt". What looks like the cz ligature is actually tz.
If we assume the initial k makes the word German, then "kutz" plus whatever the effect of the macron is, would be a good reading.