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RE: Month names collection / metastudy
nablator > 11-07-2025, 12:25 AM
(10-07-2025, 11:40 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.That little zig-zag line (indented) is a real nice touch.
Do you mean the small "m" in the big M? There is also a small "e" in the lower big E. This was a cheap production, they were not covered with paint. -
RE: Month names collection / metastudy
R. Sale > 11-07-2025, 08:56 PM
Letter 'd' I'm ignoring, letter 'r' is pen dragging (a ligature?), and so is 'b' to some extent. Letter 'b' is a problem. Where other letters in the VMs month names compare fairly well with examples from the month names used in certain calendars, this comparison fails completely for letter 'b'. Calendars, as formal documents, were written in a certain formal style. The VMs month names were written in a less formal, more cursive style. There's no comparison.
Formal documents are out, leaving only the examples of individual handwriting and chicken scratches.
Does the dating of the VMs month names depend on the apparent advent of cursive writing or the idiosyncrasies of a precocious pen-dragger?
PS: Should have looked here first. St. Gall isn't *that* bad. The top of the 'B' is closed.
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RE: Month names collection / metastudy
nablator > 11-07-2025, 09:23 PM
(11-07-2025, 08:56 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.PS: Should have looked here first. St. Gall isn't *that* bad. The top of the 'B' is closed.
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A closed loop at the top of the "b" is common, look at B3, B4, BR1, ... -
RE: Month names collection / metastudy
R. Sale > 12-07-2025, 09:37 PM
As a novice, offhand opinion, I would say that the VMs best VMs letter 'b' representations in Octe[m]bre - and in Nove[m]bre are somewhat different from the other sources seen so far. Since all examples of VMs 'b' are in the middle of the word, there is a natural movement of the pen that left a lighter tracing where the pen rises and turns back. The downstroke creates a loop of taller and thinner proportion. And the bottom loop is left open.
In the other examples, the lines are firm and dark. The upper portion of 'B' is an enclosed structure - even when 'b' is the first letter in the word. Then, there is no flow to maintain, it's just how the letter was made. The bottoms are usually closed.
Better comparisons may be found in other sources - if there are other sources.
I was also wondering about the whole "bre" thing. VMs spells in out " b r e" where numerous sources just abbreviate "b*" and another group is "b e r". It certainly looks like a language 'thing' and leans more toward Latin - or French - - maybe? -
RE: Month names collection / metastudy
Aga Tentakulus > 13-07-2025, 07:37 PM
I've become cautious about the ‘-bre’ ending.
Here, someone is using all the endings one after the other. -
RE: Month names collection / metastudy
Koen G > 13-07-2025, 08:05 PM
Which manuscript is that?
It looks to me like in all cases, they are using a Latin form. September is the nominative, which you get in the second clip "the month that is called September".
I can't tell for sure without seeing the other month names in this MS. -
RE: Month names collection / metastudy
magnesium > 13-07-2025, 08:34 PM
I know this is slightly off-topic, but as we're poking around digitized Swiss archives: Koen, if you haven't seen it already, this manuscript is an extremely good reference for the handwriting of the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. marginalia: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.