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Should we have a thread to refer theorists to?
- Should we have a thread to refer theorists to?
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RE: Should we have a thread to refer theorists to?
Koen G > 28-03-2025, 04:14 PM
"Scribe is deaf" seems pretty niche.
I would definitely add something along the lines of "I did my part, now you do yours".
(i.e. "I invented a system that doesn't work and I need you to make it work for me".) -
RE: Should we have a thread to refer theorists to?
oshfdk > 28-03-2025, 05:24 PM
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RE: Should we have a thread to refer theorists to?
Bluetoes101 > 28-03-2025, 05:31 PM
(28-03-2025, 02:18 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(28-03-2025, 02:14 PM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Feel like the "mirror effect" is pretty strong too, probably needs to be on there.
As in, wherever the MS can reflect the solver, it does...
Isn't it similar to "When I first saw it I immediately recognized..."? If you are talking about how some people find a couple of what seems like familiar elements in the MS and get stuck pulling on that thread forever.
What I mean is, I think I could hand some of these people anything and all of the solutions will come back the same.
It is from where I am from, and the person who wrote it is just like me, and the topics are discussing things I feel strongly about and..... me, me, me, me
The added bonus is this now makes them the expert (on themselves..)
Its hard to contain this in a bingo square I guess, but its such a common theme -
RE: Should we have a thread to refer theorists to?
oshfdk > 28-03-2025, 05:34 PM
(28-03-2025, 05:31 PM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What I mean is, I think I could hand some of these people anything and all of the solutions will come back the same.
It is from where I am from, and the person who wrote it is just like me, and the topics are discussing things I feel strongly about and..... me, me, me, me
The added bonus is this now makes them the expert (on themselves..)
Its hard to contain this in a bingo square I guess, but its such a common theme
Will "I was born to solve it, there are signs everywhere" do? -
RE: Should we have a thread to refer theorists to?
tavie > 28-03-2025, 05:37 PM
OCR/Chat gpt squares may be getting at similar things. -
RE: Should we have a thread to refer theorists to?
oshfdk > 28-03-2025, 06:15 PM
v2.0
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RE: Should we have a thread to refer theorists to?
oshfdk > 20-06-2025, 10:22 AM
The AI thread from yesterday seems gone, and I'm not sure where to put this, so let's bundle it with the bingo card above.
I think one can use the following snippet of "Voynichese" to test new solutions that claim deciphering based on visual matching of glyphs:
As many of you noticed yesterday, this doesn't appear to be a genuine crops from the manuscript, I just took pieces of 1-2 characters from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and reshuffled them to produce this image, trying to include some glyph combinations that are very atypical for the actual Voynichese. If a solver can successfully read and interpret this piece, it's highly likely the whole deciphering is a product of imagination.
I put the image above into public domain, you can use it wherever and whenever you like, no attribution is needed. The image below shows the result and the source text, just for the reference. I also put the image below in the public domain, use it as you see fit, but it has an embedded reference to this thread, for context.
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RE: Should we have a thread to refer theorists to?
Pepper > 20-06-2025, 10:50 AM
The bingo card is so accurate but I would feel bad directing any excited theorist to it (except, maybe, Gerard Cheshire...)
I do like the idea of a list of common problems with theories that we can refer to, e.g. "It looks like items 2, 5, and 6 apply to your theory. You'll need to be able to explain why these don't apply to gain widespread acceptance of your theory." A bit like Edmund Landau's response to Fermat's Last Theorem. -
RE: Should we have a thread to refer theorists to?
Hider > 20-06-2025, 10:54 AM
(20-06-2025, 10:22 AM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.As many of you noticed yesterday, this doesn't appear to be a genuine crops from the manuscript, I just took pieces of 1-2 characters from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and reshuffled them to produce this image, trying to include some glyph combinations that are very atypical for the actual Voynichese. If a solver can successfully read and interpret this piece, it's highly likely the whole deciphering is a product of imagination.
Without going into details I will note that the upper image is artificial. The grammar of the manuscript text is broken. The ligatures and ligature groups are lined up horizontally.
“Jumping” ligatures and ligature groups determine their order of writing and reading. I have already written about this earlier with examples.