pjburkshire > 04-04-2024, 12:15 PM
(04-04-2024, 10:42 AM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(03-04-2024, 08:40 PM)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I do not think the Voynich Manuscript is a constructed language or a cipher text. I think it is a now extinct natural language.
How do you explain the statistical properties of the text?
Mark Knowles > 04-04-2024, 12:35 PM
(04-04-2024, 12:15 PM)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(04-04-2024, 10:42 AM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(03-04-2024, 08:40 PM)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I do not think the Voynich Manuscript is a constructed language or a cipher text. I think it is a now extinct natural language.
How do you explain the statistical properties of the text?
I leave that to the experts. I think they are doing a fine job.
pjburkshire > 04-04-2024, 01:00 PM
(04-04-2024, 12:35 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(04-04-2024, 12:15 PM)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(04-04-2024, 10:42 AM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(03-04-2024, 08:40 PM)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I do not think the Voynich Manuscript is a constructed language or a cipher text. I think it is a now extinct natural language.
How do you explain the statistical properties of the text?
I leave that to the experts. I think they are doing a fine job.
Yes, but that contradicts your idea that it is written in a now extinct natural language.
Mark Knowles > 04-04-2024, 01:12 PM
(04-04-2024, 01:00 PM)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(04-04-2024, 12:35 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(04-04-2024, 12:15 PM)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(04-04-2024, 10:42 AM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(03-04-2024, 08:40 PM)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I do not think the Voynich Manuscript is a constructed language or a cipher text. I think it is a now extinct natural language.
How do you explain the statistical properties of the text?
I leave that to the experts. I think they are doing a fine job.
Yes, but that contradicts your idea that it is written in a now extinct natural language.
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Friends of the Library Lecture: Lisa Fagin Davis
Nov 27, 2023
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So that's another way of looking at it. And then finally another example
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is something called Zipf's law. So one question you have to ask yourself is, is it a language?
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Is it just random nonsense, is it randomly generated? Does it actually represent a human language?
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And one of the tests that linguists use for this is something called Zipf's law,
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which says that the most common word in a language will appear basically twice as often as the next one,
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which will be twice as often as the next one. And so when you graph that frequency, this is what you end up with.
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If you do this for the "Voynich Manuscript", the "Voynich Manuscript," right?
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That was the right reaction. It's really thrilling to see that because that really suggests
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that it is in fact a natural human language. It's not an invented language like Elvish.
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Elvish does not conform to Zipf's law as much as Tolkien wanted it to or Dothraki
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or Klingon or something. This seems to represent a naturally evolving human language.
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We just don't know what language yet.
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pjburkshire > 04-04-2024, 01:35 PM
(04-04-2024, 01:12 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Lisa Fagin Davis is a palaeographer, so not necessarily the best person to site regarding the statistical properties of the Voynich text. I suggest on reading up about the statistical properties of Voynichese and you will see the difficulties.
tavie > 04-04-2024, 05:50 PM
Hermes777 > 05-04-2024, 03:28 AM
(04-04-2024, 01:35 PM)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(04-04-2024, 01:12 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Lisa Fagin Davis is a palaeographer, so not necessarily the best person to site regarding the statistical properties of the Voynich text. I suggest on reading up about the statistical properties of Voynichese and you will see the difficulties.
I'm not here for the statistics. I'm here because of the illustrations.
- The nymphs are not bathing women.
- The star-images are not stars up in the night sky.
That is why I am here. If you want to chase after a non-existent cipher solution then go for it. It is your time to waste. Have fun. I've played with numbers enough to know:
Q: How many statisticians does it take to change a light bulb?
A: How many do you want it to be?
But no matter what statistics you find or invent, numbers will not change the illustrations.
pjburkshire > 05-04-2024, 06:32 AM
(05-04-2024, 03:28 AM)Hermes777 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Lol. It is good to see someone here who is sceptical of statistics. Healthy.
tavie > 05-04-2024, 11:54 AM
Hermes777 > 05-04-2024, 11:30 PM