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• RE: VM, illuminated and 3D

  Koen G > 20-02-2024, 09:04 AM

  Isn't it to be expected that using the same digital manipulations on digital images of the same object results in similar digital artifacts?

• RE: VM, illuminated and 3D

  Moonchild > 20-02-2024, 03:09 PM

  (20-02-2024, 09:04 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Isn't it to be expected that using the same digital manipulations on digital images of the same object results in similar digital artifacts?

  
  
  It is not normal to find areas that are the same for example the entire cover is looking the same in texture, and that by applying the same value of dodging & burning you get different results in some areas. That is why I keep showing the top left corner. 1. It turns into a gold colour (with red and green beads/spots) but not only that it has a real shape not a random one.
  
  In folio 46v, (the part that also contains the circle in the middle of the wings) you can see within the black outline it is exactly the same as the entire background of the page in the blank areas. By applying the same value of dodging & burning you should get the same results everywhere. Now you can say it's due to the fact that the other side of the page has paint that resurface on there but how convenient is this result if it fits perfectly to fill in a section that makes it look like a finial with golden structure.. ?
  
  If I would be getting the same results everywhere and decided to show you just the part that I decide to make it look like it's something, I would be totally fooling myself, waisting my time and waisting yours too..

• RE: VM, illuminated and 3D

  Moonchild > 20-02-2024, 09:35 PM

  (17-02-2024, 08:46 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Blurring is the gateway to pareidolia. Everybody wants to blame pareidolia. The problem is the blurring. The more blurring, the greater the possibilities for seeing things, until everything gets all blurred out. There is the possibility of too much alteration.
  
  Pareidolia is a natural human tendency. The VMs artist knew of pareidolia (and ambiguity). Take a look at the example presented above regarding the roots of f46v, the unaltered image. Now known for their proposed interpretation as the wings of Saint Michael, this interpretation is enhanced by a small, almost insignificant, ink-line circle that sits at the top juncture of the wings. Which is where a potential 'head' should be. Pareidolia tends to promote the interpretation that there might be an angelic person, not just a heraldic vol with a little circle.
  
  So, if the wings are Saint Michael, as psychopomp, and the flowers are costmary, aka the herb of the Virgin, (of course the Virgin Mary), then this illustration is a representation of the Assumption of the Virgin. And as such, is certainly applicable to medieval religious ideology. Pareidolia plays a small, but demonstrable role in this interpretation. Pareidolia has a role to play only when it can be shown to be relevant.

  
  
  Just my opinion: The blurring is part of the deciphering if water is added on the paint. Blurring is intended. Pareidolia, I believe plays a significant role to conceal and create perceptual blindness.

• RE: VM, illuminated and 3D

  Moonchild > 20-02-2024, 09:43 PM

  (18-02-2024, 06:51 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  Quote:Also, I suspect Bosch possibly the author and artist of the VM. Just an idea. It's possible.

  
  You mean that Hieronymus Bosch?
  I wouldn't say so. Voynich illustrations are simply too lame for Bosch. He was a master and they are at best 4/10 if we compare them to other manuscripts

  
  Yes he was a master indeed. His father was the artistic advisor for the Brotherhood of our Blessed lady secret society. I believe he had a few tricks up his sleeves which he passed down to his son who was also a member of that society. 
  
  Bosch was also a fan of triptychs and we see trifolds in the VM among other things. He drew naked ladies, and lakes with same type of 3d effect. Was a draughtsman explains the mechanical sketches he integrates in the plants. And again with my theory I can see similarities.. and as I was saying he used pareidolia to conceal and create perceptual blindness...  it's possible..

• RE: VM, illuminated and 3D

  Moonchild > 20-02-2024, 09:58 PM

  One perfect clear example of the use of pareidolia to conceal, in my opinion..

• RE: VM, illuminated and 3D

  R. Sale > 20-02-2024, 10:14 PM

  The circle sitting on the root-wings of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is clear evidence of pre-planned pareidolia. The image does not need visual distortion, what it needs is historical interpretation. If the circle were missing there would just be the weird, wing-like roots. But the circle implies a head or a face, and this then allows the interpretation of a person with wings, an angel. The circle is plain because any facial features would ruin the ambiguity. Pareidolia occurs in the mind.

• RE: VM, illuminated and 3D

  Moonchild > 23-02-2024, 08:17 PM

  Hello, here is some more revealing, I do not understand how this does not amaze you  : )
  
  Emmanuela

• RE: VM, illuminated and 3D

  Moonchild > 24-02-2024, 03:25 PM

  Good morning : ) 
  Here are some codes & letters as requested, let me know your thoughts,
  
  thanks,
  
  Emmanuela

• RE: VM, illuminated and 3D

  Moonchild > 28-02-2024, 01:49 AM

  Enjoy 

• RE: VM, illuminated and 3D

  Moonchild > 28-02-2024, 09:30 PM

  Folio 75r
  
  I have to ask this.. I genuinely would like to know if you see what I see or if you still think I am trying to fool you and think I am creating this?
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