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RE: VM, illuminated and 3D
Moonchild > 16-02-2024, 07:25 PM
Thanks for the info ReneZ, I am sending you all further evidence and a little more explanations.
(Check the top right corner of Folio 102r in the really dark spot. Right below that is an elemental face smiling, green & gold type of finial. If you look closely, you can find symmetry in the elements. That dark spot was engineered, not natural in my opinion. (That is why test results of the hidden stuff behind the surface did not work) The author is exquisite! )
There is no shortage of evidence in my theory..
enjoy and let me know what you think : ) -
RE: VM, illuminated and 3D
nablator > 16-02-2024, 09:42 PM
Pareidolia is real. -
RE: VM, illuminated and 3D
Moonchild > 16-02-2024, 09:55 PM
I am very well aware of that. So are the marks on the cover for example. Very real. Very there. -
RE: VM, illuminated and 3D
Aga Tentakulus > 17-02-2024, 08:23 AM
You already know that the book has been rebound, and this is not the original cover. -
RE: VM, illuminated and 3D
merrimacga > 17-02-2024, 12:31 PM
I concur with Aga.
Knowing the cover isn't original, that the VM was rebound much later than it was written, means anything you find there most likely cannot be correlated to anything you find in the folios. The only exception would be if some of what you are finding through Photoshop in the folios is the result of what has happened to those folios since their creation. For example, when the VM was rebound, it is likely the folios were handled with bare hands and, forensically, there would have been trace evidence left behind by such handling (fingerprints, oils, dirt, and any number of other substances on the hands that could have been minutely transferred to and possibly damaged the folios in some way). And the more bare hands that touched the cover and the folios over the years would have transferred more trace evidence. Most of this is likely to have disappeared over the course of time or become obscured by more trace evidence. But there could still be residual effects on the folios and the cover that modern forensics could possibly identify and maybe even correlate.
Were such forensics to be performed on the VM, which will never happen as such tests would damage it further.
This is highly speculative of course but no less so than the work you are doing and it does beg the question as to whether or not such trace evidence could show up in the pixels of the Beinecke scans. If so, then your work in Photoshop is also picking up these pixels and could be rendering meaningless what you find using Gaussian Blur, Dodge and Burn, not to mention your lowering of the image resolution, because what you are finding is not 100% what was originally there at the time of the VM's creation. Tantamount to working with a contaminated sample.
Like nablator, one of the first thoughts I had about your work, and I really resisted saying this before now, is that people see images in clouds too. We humans tend to anthropomorphize a lot, such are our imaginations. I found myself wondering what the results would be if you were to take the Rorschach test - you know, the ink blots that look like a butterfly or a bat, etc. Let's face it: to be a graphic designer, to be good at what you do for a living, having a good imagination is a requirement.
I see what you see in things like the more obvious leather strap and finial in your earlier examples here. And I found your speculation about objects, letters and numbers in plants interesting. I would also like to see evidence of the invisible grid you mentioned in one post. What I don't see are the golden loops, the profiles of persons, the image of Bastet, the top left corner perfect shape on the cover, the codes in the folds and the letters merging to make faces. To me, these images are too doctored, too blurred, too low a resolution after your work on them to be anything more than imagination, like images in clouds and inkblots. -
RE: VM, illuminated and 3D
Moonchild > 17-02-2024, 06:28 PM
Hello merrimacga,
I truly appreciate your comments, feedback and questions, thank you : )
I know Pareidolia was going to come up eventually and that you were trying not to say it.
For now, I am going to focus and only talk about the VM. The VM is only a fraction of the discovery. I am not going to get into the other stuff.
I wanted to rephrase something I was trying to say in my previous presentation. When I say look at the details, what I meant to say is look at the details you would normally NOT look at. For example Folio 102r the dark spot that is meant to be a defect is not. There is a symmetry and illustration attached to the false defect.. If you really look you will see what I mean.
Also, I have a question if someone could explain this to me it would be great: (see attached image of magnifier)
In 2016, I bought this cheap magnifier on amazon that was designed to clip on a Galaxy S5 cell phone camera. I used it to look at anything and everything. The phone camera would zoom in to anything I was directing it on: plants, coins, jewelry fabric, random books and pages etc.. the only time it would react differently is when I directed it towards any pages of a copy of a VM I own. It would just zoom in and zoom out non-stop.
I went to Italy that year to show this to my uncle who is a nuclear engineer and worked for Cern all his life and yet, he did not have an answer for this phenomena...
****I will answer each and every one of your questions with additional visuals by tomorrow night or Monday morning.
Thank you,
Emmanuela -
RE: VM, illuminated and 3D
Moonchild > 17-02-2024, 06:55 PM
Also, I suspect Bosch possibly the author and artist of the VM. Just an idea. It's possible. -
RE: VM, illuminated and 3D
R. Sale > 17-02-2024, 08:46 PM
Blurring is the gateway to pareidolia. Everybody wants to blame pareidolia. The problem is the blurring. The more blurring, the greater the possibilities for seeing things, until everything gets all blurred out. There is the possibility of too much alteration.
Pareidolia is a natural human tendency. The VMs artist knew of pareidolia (and ambiguity). Take a look at the example presented above regarding the roots of f46v, the unaltered image. Now known for their proposed interpretation as the wings of Saint Michael, this interpretation is enhanced by a small, almost insignificant, ink-line circle that sits at the top juncture of the wings. Which is where a potential 'head' should be. Pareidolia tends to promote the interpretation that there might be an angelic person, not just a heraldic vol with a little circle.
So, if the wings are Saint Michael, as psychopomp, and the flowers are costmary, aka the herb of the Virgin, (of course the Virgin Mary), then this illustration is a representation of the Assumption of the Virgin. And as such, is certainly applicable to medieval religious ideology. Pareidolia plays a small, but demonstrable role in this interpretation. Pareidolia has a role to play only when it can be shown to be relevant. -
RE: VM, illuminated and 3D
Rafal > 18-02-2024, 06:51 PM
Quote:Also, I suspect Bosch possibly the author and artist of the VM. Just an idea. It's possible.
You mean that Hieronymus Bosch?
I wouldn't say so. Voynich illustrations are simply too lame for Bosch. He was a master and they are at best 4/10 if we compare them to other manuscripts
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RE: VM, illuminated and 3D
Moonchild > 20-02-2024, 12:48 AM
Here are some additional images and explanations. I will send more about codes and other folios with additional discoveries this week. For today here are some clarifications and findings.
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