Pardis Motiee > 27-01-2024, 12:39 PM
(26-01-2024, 03:34 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Ok, so if I understand correctly the spaces are not real spaces but a way to hide and obfuscate the real meaning.
Well, it's possible and if I recall correclty it was considered by some people before.
And it was used in practice, after all Wikipedia says in its basic article about ciphers:
Usually the ciphertext is written out in blocks of fixed length, omitting punctuation and spaces; this is done to disguise word boundaries from the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and to help avoid transmission errors. These blocks are called "groups", and sometimes a "group count" (i.e. the number of groups) is given as an additional check. Five-letter groups are often used, dating from when messages used to be transmitted by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.:
SIAAZ QLKBA VAZOA RFPBL UAOAR
But there must be some fixed rule how to remove this spaces.
If you start to join and break vords (Voynich words) free at will then your solution becomes very ambiguous and two different people reading the same text may get a very different solution.
nablator > 27-01-2024, 03:28 PM
(27-01-2024, 12:23 PM)Pardis Motiee Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It requires a loop for rule 2 and should start again from beginning of line each time after removing. So that, if y is removed the t won't be left behind.
Quote:By specific region I mean a letter or a sequence of letters inside a word, if we imagine a symmetry line, two repeated elements are placed in two sides of the inner segment (sometimes even mirrored).
Pardis Motiee > 27-01-2024, 03:34 PM
(26-01-2024, 10:18 AM)Pepper Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So can you explain with an example, step-by-step, how the author converted a sentence of correct Persian into Voynichese, and how the reader then converts Voynichese back into the correct Persian?This is how it can be explained to some degrees "There was an early text which its letters were replaced by unfamiliar forms. Word's spaces have been removed and cuts have been made in different parts of the text. Finally, repeated elements have been added to the word-like parts and repeated features have been given to the lines". There are even more to consider. I was reading a book Tārīkh-e zabān-e fārsī or History of Farsi language (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) in pages 89 - 90 it is written about difficultly of reading Pahlavi Script in which some of its letters have multiple sounds, it also mentions words called هزاوارش; people had written some Aramaic words with Pahlavi Script, but when it was time of reading they would read it in Middle Persian. If Voynich manuscript has methods of writing similar to the old times, reading correctly would be extremely difficult.
Pardis Motiee > 27-01-2024, 03:50 PM
(27-01-2024, 03:28 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(27-01-2024, 12:23 PM)Pardis Motiee Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It requires a loop for rule 2 and should start again from beginning of line each time after removing. So that, if y is removed the t won't be left behind.
Paragraph or line? Your colored cells PDF shows entire paragraphs being processed.
Quote:By specific region I mean a letter or a sequence of letters inside a word, if we imagine a symmetry line, two repeated elements are placed in two sides of the inner segment (sometimes even mirrored).
How can two repeated elements in a word not be placed on two sides of the inner segment?
The two 'D' in words like, for example:
(p.16)
P'.A'.T.D.T'.S.D.T"
(p.20)
D.RI.T.D.T'
PA.D.S.D.A.T'.V
D.A'.D.H
K.D.RI.J.D.T'
get removed. It looks like they can be anywhere and the inner segment can be anything.
nablator > 27-01-2024, 09:18 PM
(27-01-2024, 03:50 PM)Pardis Motiee Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I can't find the word P'.A'.T.D.T'.S.D.T" in paragraph 16. Could you tell me the folio number for all these words?Page 15 and 16, first word of paragraph 4. The two D's are marked for removal on green background at the bottom of page 16.
Pardis Motiee > 27-01-2024, 10:49 PM
(27-01-2024, 09:18 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Yes, I see. Thanks. ( P'.A'.T.D.T' | S.D.T" ), the inner segment is T'.S and the imaginary symmetry-line for D is not same as the word's halving-line (we have 5 letters on the left and 3 letters on the right side).(27-01-2024, 03:50 PM)Pardis Motiee Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I can't find the word P'.A'.T.D.T'.S.D.T" in paragraph 16. Could you tell me the folio number for all these words?Page 15 and 16, first word of paragraph 4. The two D's are marked for removal on green background at the bottom of page 16.
Pardis Motiee > 31-01-2024, 12:15 PM
(27-01-2024, 03:34 PM)Pardis Motiee Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.RI.A'.H.V, A'.D.S.A.M , P.A'.T.V, A', GA, A.T", P.T, A, V, S.A', T'.RI, S.V, D.RI.D.S.A.R, A'.D.S.V, S.D ...(ریزش) defines as falling, and abscission in botany, like in hair loss (ریزش مو) or flower abscission (ریزش گل). (شوش) is defined as a thin green branch of tree.
RIA HVADS AMPAT VAGAAT P TAVS ATRI SVD RIDS ARAD SVS
ریع حوادث انبات واقعات ب تاوش عطری شود ریزش آرد شوش
Pardis Motiee > 22-03-2024, 10:41 AM
(31-01-2024, 03:38 PM)dfs346 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Here are some further thoughts on Persian as a precursor language.
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