cvetkakocj@rogers.com > 16-07-2022, 05:06 PM
(16-07-2022, 02:26 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The manuscript has been carbon dated to 1404-1438. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. let us know that a medieval costumes expert (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. from the Morgan Library) dated the costumes of Virgo and Sagittarius to the 1420’s.The way I understand is that the VM could not be created earlier than 1404, but the 1438 is not fixed; it only means that the animal used for parchment was killed by then. Is it possible that it was created 20 years later? I suppose the monasteries could have had a supply of old parchment.
bi3mw > 16-07-2022, 05:41 PM
(16-07-2022, 05:06 PM)cvetkakocj@rogers.com Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The female in Virgo looks like Barbara of Celje, portrayed before 1409 by Bavarian artist Konrad Kyeser in his Bellafortes, except that on that picture she is on the horse and facing the opposite way.
R. Sale > 16-07-2022, 08:06 PM
Hermes777 > 16-07-2022, 09:33 PM
(16-07-2022, 04:45 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I wouldn't commit myself directly to the Ladin dialect now either. It refers to a region.
Perhaps it is also an unfortunate choice.
There are also Rhaetian, Dolomitic and Friouli.
Here, one should learn something about the empires of Raecia and Noricum and their languages, and the development up to the present day.
Invasion of the Roman Empire by the Bavarians and Alemanni around 500.
I personally exclude the German language (Alemannic) from the Swiss side. I can't see it in the VM like that. But the Bavarian language is. Therefore rather from the eastern side (Carinthia).
I think I would recognise my dialect.
Here is a language example. Imagine that in an Italian crossroads.
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Aga Tentakulus > 17-07-2022, 05:31 AM
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ReneZ > 17-07-2022, 06:52 AM
(16-07-2022, 08:06 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The C-14 test data has an inherent error of several decades, and, like a weak telescope that is unable to resolve a binary star, there may be more than one source date for the parchment. The most problematic sample is the youngest, which is another potential indicator of a slightly more recent VMs creation.
Hermes777 > 17-07-2022, 08:22 AM
(17-07-2022, 06:52 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(16-07-2022, 08:06 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The C-14 test data has an inherent error of several decades, and, like a weak telescope that is unable to resolve a binary star, there may be more than one source date for the parchment. The most problematic sample is the youngest, which is another potential indicator of a slightly more recent VMs creation.
The first sentence is correct. The second is statistically incorrect. For a complete interpretation see:
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Summary: all four samples are statistically equivalent. None are an exception with respect to the other three. By definition, there is one that has the oldest centre of the probability distribution, and there is one that has the youngest. It is not valid to single out any of these apparent extremes.
MarcoP > 17-07-2022, 10:34 AM
(17-07-2022, 08:22 AM)Hermes777 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.As an academic I studied the Dead Sea Scrolls for 20+ years. From that experience I am wary of putting absolute faith ("scientism") in carbon dating, and even more wary of palaeography
Quote:People seem to think that accusing their opponent of scientism is a valid substitute for presenting actual evidence to back up their position. Further, at least in instances that I have personally observed, this accusation is often a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. that either misrepresents scientism or misrepresents the science-advocates’ claims.
bi3mw > 17-07-2022, 11:10 AM
(17-07-2022, 08:22 AM)Hermes777 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.On a small sample from a 600 year old document, I don't regard a leeway of a dozen years fatal to my argument.