GracefulShinjo > 29-07-2026, 02:33 PM
Pierre Dumont Himself Wrote:....This is a good find. It would point to a potential connection to the Most Serene Republic of Venice if it is not from the Duchy of Milan.
Pierre Dumont Himself > 29-07-2026, 02:42 PM
(29-07-2026, 12:34 PM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Looks like we already have it. It’s listed as having been written in Lombardy.
Pierre Dumont Himself Wrote:If you find swallowtail merlons somewhere, please post them on the main thread as well. I can't keep up with all the different threads.
Here, swallowtail merlons are depicted in BL, Sloane MS 4016, 1440, folio 108v
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Pierre Dumont Himself > 29-07-2026, 02:48 PM
Quote: This is a good find. It would point to a potential connection to the Most Serene Republic of Venice if it is not from the Duchy of Milan.Or elsewhere in the Adriatic.
bi3mw > 29-07-2026, 02:53 PM
(29-07-2026, 02:42 PM)Pierre Dumont Himself Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Looks like we already have it.
Pierre Dumont Himself > 29-07-2026, 03:03 PM
(29-07-2026, 02:53 PM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(29-07-2026, 02:42 PM)Pierre Dumont Himself Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Looks like we already have it.
OK, sorry. However, we could still add the illustration from ms.MaS 116 (found by @DG97EEB).
Koen G > 29-07-2026, 03:51 PM
Pierre Dumont Himself > 29-07-2026, 05:44 PM
Quote:Well found! That's a small detail in such a busy scene. There are a few other overlaps with the Rosettes as well, like the mandorla shape and the rose window framework.
Quote:With what you have learned, how do you see the role of the relevant branches of the Anjou? We encountered them in Sicily (somewhat uncertain attestations), and now, again in the periphery, in Croatia.The small shields on top of the oldest crest, which were later scrubbed off by the Venetians, may have belonged to the Šubić princes rather than the Anjou. Until the early 15th century, the centers of power of the Croatian princes were mostly in Dalmatia rather than the interior, while the Hungarian King ruled from far away. I have found very few examples of merlons of any kind in collections of Croatian and Bosnian miniatures or in fortifications of the Dalmatian interior. All evidence in the East comes from Venice, Istria and the Italian-linked cities on the coast, including the de facto independent entities of Gorizia, Trieste and Ragusa (there is no evidence so far from Slovenia and only a few attestations from pre-earthquake Friuli, all postdating the Venetian annexation). In the early 15th century, when frescoes became common in Italian churches, Dalmatians preferred sculpture and other forms of stonework. The articles I linked mention that carved Angevin crests were relatively common, but I haven't seen any other evidence of English, French or Hungarian art in Dalmatia. Maybe there is something in the Hungarian archives, but there are certainly no buildings with swallowtail merlons in Continental Hungary. In Medieval Serbia, the artistic influences were predominantly Byzantine: St George is usually depicted standing, pinning the dragon to the ground with a spear, and with no castle in the background, while the walls of the early 15th-century capital at Smederevo were inspired by the walls of Constantinople.
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Pierre Dumont Himself > 29-07-2026, 10:03 PM
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Pierre Dumont Himself > 29-07-2026, 11:29 PM