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F21r - Polygonum aviculare? (knotgrass/knotweed...)
- F21r - Polygonum aviculare? (knotgrass/knotweed...)
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RE: F21r - Polygonum aviculare? (knotgrass/knotweed...)
Helmut Winkler > 17-08-2021, 05:32 PM
There are dozens of medieval monographs, that's the problem, I have been trying to fit them with the Voynich monographs for years -
RE: F21r - Polygonum aviculare? (knotgrass/knotweed...)
Pardis Motiee > 17-08-2021, 07:46 PM
(15-08-2021, 02:31 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I've been learning ...
![[Image: 498px-Polygonon_arren_Wiener_Dioskurides.jpg]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Polygonon_arren_Wiener_Dioskurides.jpg/498px-Polygonon_arren_Wiener_Dioskurides.jpg)
In the left corner it is written "عصی الراعی". Other names are:
"هزار بندک"
"درخت بطباط"
"جنجر"
"سرخ مرد"
"سرخ مرز"
عصی الراعی = Polygonum aviculare
It seems that Polygonum is written in form of "پولیغونون" Polyghonon. -
RE: F21r - Polygonum aviculare? (knotgrass/knotweed...)
Ruby Novacna > 17-08-2021, 10:24 PM
(16-08-2021, 01:05 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Should this be added to the more certain plant ID list? The plant drawing seems to be of the relatively naturalistic kind.
Koen, This image has already had several proposed identifications, including polygonum aviculare by Ellie Velinska. However, other candidates may also be valid. -
RE: F21r - Polygonum aviculare? (knotgrass/knotweed...)
Koen G > 17-08-2021, 11:00 PM
In that case both the Ancients and current forum members converge around this ID without serious challenges. I moved it up to the more certain bold category. -
RE: F21r - Polygonum aviculare? (knotgrass/knotweed...)
R. Sale > 17-08-2021, 11:58 PM
Well, that's the thing, isn't it? What was old is new again. And discovering or rediscovering these potential identifications is useful on its own. But it would be even better if some part of the VMs text could be shown to be the equivalent of some other relevant, pharmacological text.
There needs to be some basis of comparison, some repetition or some other structure in the VMs text, or word count to characterize the particular text; whatever paradigm applies. There needs to be a potential historical example of a plant monograph that would show these same textual qualities.
The recent investigation of the spiral text showed that the VMs text segment contained a sequence of triple repetition near the end. The proposed corresponding Biblical text did not have such a structure. For botanical investigation to be relevant to VMs linguistic investigation, it will probably require an example where the comparison of structural similarity is positive. -
RE: F21r - Polygonum aviculare? (knotgrass/knotweed...)
Aga Tentakulus > 18-08-2021, 12:17 AM
Before looking for texts, one should be quite sure with the identification of the plant.
I think that's why Koen marked it as bold.
Well, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is considered quite safe. Now you can also search for texts, and it makes sure that you are talking about the same plant.
By the way, Ellie Velinska's examples are anything but a good reverence. Too much fantasy, too little realism. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. gives it as "Anagallis arvensis". I don't even see a close resemblance.
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RE: F21r - Polygonum aviculare? (knotgrass/knotweed...)
Ruby Novacna > 18-08-2021, 08:22 PM
(18-08-2021, 12:17 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.By the way, Ellie Velinska's examples are anything but a good reverence. Too much fantasy, too little realism. gives it as "Anagallis arvensis". I don't even see a close resemblance.
You are wrong: Anagallis arvensis was a proposal by Edith Sherwood, later changed (or added) to Thymus vulgaris.