Koen G > 28-06-2021, 08:36 PM
Searcher > 29-06-2021, 08:59 PM
(28-06-2021, 08:36 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Both Searcher and Diane placed north at the top right though, which is where I disagree. There are forms of the sky in many if not all the rosettes, so the mere presence of a sky cannot be an indication of north. The spiral, too, would be a strange way of representing the north pole, since the heavens turn like a wheel, they don't spiral inward (unless you fancy a black hole or something).
Quote:As far as I know, the emblem of this rosette is not yet understood, but it seems to point towards the general sphere of constellations/navigation. Inside is something like a constellation symbol, and the circle has eight subdivisions like a compass rose.As a contrargument I would say that it doesn't look like a usual compass, and the strokes-subdivisions can be just decorative or just iterate the eight outer rosettes. Anyway, if it is a compass, why should it mean that its placing is the North? Doesn't the needle show the direction?
Therefore I would say this is north, and continuing clockwise east, south and west.
Koen G > 29-06-2021, 09:25 PM
Quote:Jacques de Vitry's mention of the compass being used at sea in 1218, which indicates a broader knowledge of the compass and its uses in Medieval Northern Europe:
An iron needle, after having been in contact with the loadstone, turns itself always toward the northern star, which, like the axis of the firmament, remains immovable, while the others follow their course so that it is very necessary to those who navigate the sea.
Quote:However, critics like Kreutz have suggested that it was later in 1410 that anyone really started steering by compass.
Barbrey > 29-06-2021, 10:37 PM
Aga Tentakulus > 30-06-2021, 04:53 AM
Searcher > 30-06-2021, 07:50 AM
(30-06-2021, 04:53 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Just a general question about the rosette side.I think the Rosettes foldout is a part of the cosmological section, as much as f86v3. In occult cosmological context, the two rocks usually represent the Sun and the Moon, so the Moon here is likely the left rock, the Sun - the right one.
If I assume that it was drawn before it was bound. Should I then assume that the reverse is possibly connected to the front?
Koen G > 30-06-2021, 12:46 PM
(30-06-2021, 04:53 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Don't ask me how I know that, it's more of a guess.
Aga Tentakulus > 30-06-2021, 01:16 PM
davidjackson > 30-06-2021, 04:29 PM
Mark Knowles > 30-06-2021, 04:45 PM
(29-06-2021, 09:25 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I personally wouldn't say it is a compass. A quick glance at the wiki teaches that these remained rare for a long time, even though they were apparently known to some medieval Europeans before the VM was made:I have seen a map of the period with a compass on it. I will have to look through the maps that I have copies of.