Mark Knowles > 09-01-2020, 09:34 AM
Mark Knowles > 09-01-2020, 09:49 AM
(09-01-2020, 07:33 AM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think you will find they knew where they were better than you think. The Hereford mappa mundi is a map of the ecumene, not of earth, as is the Oresme. It would equate to the habitable section.
Mark Knowles > 09-01-2020, 10:02 AM
(09-01-2020, 07:33 AM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think you will find they knew where they were better than you think. The Hereford mappa mundi is a map of the ecumene, not of earth, as is the Oresme. It would equate to the habitable section.
-JKP- > 09-01-2020, 03:27 PM
Mark Knowles > 09-01-2020, 03:46 PM
(09-01-2020, 03:27 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In schematic diagrams where earth and water are the main segments, fire is usually represented by a ring around the others and air is 1) sometimes above the earth and water or 2) sometimes a separate ring between fire and earth/water.
Linda > 09-01-2020, 06:25 PM
(09-01-2020, 09:49 AM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[quote="Linda" pid='33809' dateline='1578551607']
You have expressed your perspective well. Unless I have missed it what you haven't explained is what is going on with the top left section of the German Map with T/O in bottom right hand corner that I have linked to. Where does this other section represent and why is it illustrated in the way that it is?
Here again is the link to the other map that I was referring to:
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Linda > 09-01-2020, 06:33 PM
(09-01-2020, 10:02 AM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[quote="Linda" pid='33809' dateline='1578551607']
In the Conches example that you give the habitable part is at the top not top left/right, assuming that we are saying the Asia is habitable.
Are you saying that the top right corner of the German T/O represents air or fire, though it looks like neither?
Linda > 09-01-2020, 08:29 PM
Linda > 09-01-2020, 09:38 PM
(09-01-2020, 09:03 AM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(09-01-2020, 07:33 AM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think you will find they knew where they were better than you think. The Hereford mappa mundi is a map of the ecumene, not of earth, as is the Oresme. It would equate to the habitable section.
Oresme's inverted TO is supposed to show a two sphere system using one flat circle. It is not important though to figure that part out (since it was wrong anyway), it is the depiction of the habitable world that is important..
I have not noted in the text what you have stated. Neither does the text state what I have presented.
Initially I was told by others that the sections represent Air-Earth-Water or Fire-Earth-Water, however you seem to be stating a completely different interpretation much more similar to my own, though not identical.
Having looked at a number of knownT/O maps there appears to be quite a variance in the representation of different regions, which makes me wonder if this is just another form of representation.
If the habitable part is in the North then according to your statements then Oresme must be saying that Africa is in the North as it constitutes part of the habitable world.
It seems what you are postulating is that the T/O map is a kind of extended T/O map.
Mark Knowles > 09-01-2020, 09:56 PM
(09-01-2020, 08:29 PM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Agreed i do not have proof of the wilderness part, it is a function of having understood the right side to be the habitable known world. Still looking since as i say i think it is important we get it right.
Mark you did indeed predict my thoughts on the german version. Also i note the elements map part shows fire below air, i think again this is secular understanding supplanting the Aristolean ordering. Fire is of course known to us on the ground, and invisible heavenly fire is a more difficult concept to visualize especially if it is no longer taught as such.
I understand what you are saying about the wording, that continents are expected. But it would be at odds with drawing an Oresme-like cosmos, unless it is simply to pull in all the various other incarnations thereof, ie to make you look it up and thereby get the history lesson along the way. It could be like a 'further reading' mnemonic.