Mark Knowles > 08-01-2020, 04:24 PM
Aga Tentakulus > 08-01-2020, 07:37 PM
Mark Knowles > 08-01-2020, 11:47 PM
(03-01-2020, 03:01 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.These figures exist in many different forms, also with four parts.
It is just possible that the upper left quadrant in Oresme's figure is air rather than fire.
Mark Knowles > 08-01-2020, 11:55 PM
(03-01-2020, 06:51 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Mark, you don't need a third-party "source" to know what these drawings represent. All you have to do is read the text next to the drawings. It says exactly what the sections represent, sometimes the label is on the drawing itself. It's not in code. What René said is correct.
Mark Knowles > 09-01-2020, 12:10 AM
(03-01-2020, 07:12 PM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(03-01-2020, 01:24 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.My interpretation is that the water represents Asia, maybe the great expanse of ocean such as Indian Ocean and Pacific Ocean. The top right that corresponds to Europe should be self-explanatory. The top left is unclear as to what it represents (dessert??jungle??), but it corresponds to Africa. Sometimes different representative drawings are shown.
I can see that interpretation, but look at the text of Oresme in du ciel et du monde book 2 chapter 25, he states the habitable part of earth would be on the upper right, although you are right, he says it is the part where they reside, which would make it Europe as well.
I believe it is neither fire nor air in the keft top quarter, but a reference to the uninhabitable parts of earth. Sacrobosco had said only one of the quarters of earth were habitable, the habitable part being in the north. It is a movement in thought from the earth sphere surrounded by the water sphere to a more complex understanding, involving whether the Antipodes could exist, how far the water was between Spain and India, whether it was nobler to be near the heavens, etc. Quire 13 to me is a travel of the ecumene by water, which pulls that all together into a realistic view.
Mark Knowles > 09-01-2020, 12:22 AM
Linda > 09-01-2020, 07:33 AM
Mark Knowles > 09-01-2020, 09:03 AM
(09-01-2020, 07:33 AM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think you will find they knew where they were better than you think. The Hereford mappa mundi is a map of the ecumene, not of earth, as is the Oresme. It would equate to the habitable section.
Oresme's inverted TO is supposed to show a two sphere system using one flat circle. It is not important though to figure that part out (since it was wrong anyway), it is the depiction of the habitable world that is important..
ReneZ > 09-01-2020, 09:28 AM