ReneZ > 10-04-2019, 11:47 PM
Quote:... it seems quite bizarre that he already has to defend his thesis ...
-JKP- > 11-04-2019, 02:56 AM
Koen G > 11-04-2019, 08:18 AM
(10-04-2019, 11:10 PM)DONJCH Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This task will obviously slow down further development of the thesis , of course.
ReneZ > 11-04-2019, 08:30 AM
MarcoP > 11-04-2019, 09:54 AM
(08-04-2019, 02:05 AM)geoffreycaveney Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I begin with the simplest and least interesting label words: The leftmost labels of the top row of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and the middle row of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. .
leftmost top row label You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. :
[otorchety]
leftmost middle row label You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. :
[otoram]
my readings:
"o-khoriik[o]s"
"o-khorAs"
[Note: For practical purposes I have been treating the Voynich characters [m] and [g] as alternate characters for [y] for some time now. I have added them to my own provisional working letter correspondence table. I have certainly never interpreted [m] and [g] in any other way in any previous readings or interpretations.]
my interpretations:
ο χωρικ[ο]ς
ο χωρος
translations:
"the rustic/regional/village/country"
"the field/farm/estate ; the country/land/region"
Comments:
These are perfectly normal standard Greek words, and perfectly appropriate as labels for plant roots and leaves, although I admit that personally I find these particular labels rather pedestrian, boring, and not terribly informative: I would think such descriptions would apply to an awful lot of plant roots and leaves. Be that as it may, I see nothing wrong with either of these label words.
-JKP- > 11-04-2019, 10:02 AM
geoffreycaveney > 11-04-2019, 04:54 PM
(11-04-2019, 09:54 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(08-04-2019, 02:05 AM)geoffreycaveney Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I begin with the simplest and least interesting label words: The leftmost labels of the top row of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and the middle row of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. .
leftmost top row label You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. :
[otorchety]
leftmost middle row label You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. :
[otoram]
my readings:
"o-khoriik[o]s"
"o-khorAs"
[Note: For practical purposes I have been treating the Voynich characters [m] and [g] as alternate characters for [y] for some time now. I have added them to my own provisional working letter correspondence table. I have certainly never interpreted [m] and [g] in any other way in any previous readings or interpretations.]
my interpretations:
ο χωρικ[ο]ς
ο χωρος
translations:
"the rustic/regional/village/country"
"the field/farm/estate ; the country/land/region"
Comments:
These are perfectly normal standard Greek words, and perfectly appropriate as labels for plant roots and leaves, although I admit that personally I find these particular labels rather pedestrian, boring, and not terribly informative: I would think such descriptions would apply to an awful lot of plant roots and leaves. Be that as it may, I see nothing wrong with either of these label words.
It's not surprising that you too are beginning to find your results boring. I totally agree that they are. In my opinion this is because your "anything goes" approach doesn't really offer any challenge. Here you pick up the first two random words that you think look somehow similar and you are done: "perfectly appropriate as labels"! Bang!
There would be so many non-boring things to say, if one wanted to look deeper into things!
E.g.:
- is it common to see the definite article before labels in Greek manuscripts?
- is it common to see adjectives used as labels in Greek manuscripts?
- is definite article + adjective a combination that can stand on its own (e.g. as a title)?
- which plant categories (if any) were used in medieval Greek (or Hebrew) works?
- which labels appear next to containers in Greek manuscripts (such as You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)?
- is the label "the field" something that can be seen on Medieval/Renaissance pharmacy jars (in any language)?
MarcoP > 11-04-2019, 06:21 PM
(11-04-2019, 04:54 PM)geoffreycaveney Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.About the Greek grammar: The definite article is ubiquitous in Greek. One scholar of Greek described its role by saying that basically, you can put the definite article in front of any Greek word and it makes the word a noun. Of course this is an exaggeration, but it illustrates the ubiquitous role of the definite article in Greek.
Helmut Winkler > 11-04-2019, 06:22 PM
(11-04-2019, 10:02 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A very high proportion of labels in Greek manuscripts are not textual, they are numbers.
They look like letters but they represent numbers. They are references.
It's entirely possible that this is also the case for VMS labels (all of the labels? I don't know, but some of them especially look like they might be). That doesn't necessarily mean they are Greek, or even that they are any kind of numbers, but I mention it because I've seen it so frequently in Greek manuscripts.
ReneZ > 11-04-2019, 07:41 PM