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• RE: Matches for the marginalia Latin script [IN OTHER MANUSCRIPTS]

  MarcoP > 02-09-2019, 05:04 PM

  I have had a look at the "added forecasting" at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. Most of the page is devoted to "Pronostica Galieni", Galen's forecasts. These are 30 paragraphs, one for each day of the Moon, which foretell the course of illness on the basis of day of the Moon on which it started. Adding to the mix of astrology and herbalism, some of the paragraphs prescribe the usage of specific plants.
  
  E.g. "Luna 11. si fumigetur herba putrida agreste cum tamaride cito sanatur" (if fumigated with "herba putrida" and tamarisk, [the patient] will be healed)
  
  The rest of the page is occupied by seven similar astro-medical paragraphs related with the days of the week and the planets (what happens if you fall ill on the day of the sun, the day of the moon etc.)
  
  Some specific words look similar to words in 116v, or match possible readings in 116v.
  
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  "(La)tere" in the 6th paragraph is a good match for what is often read "cere" in VMS You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. line 2. But "tere" is not a legal latin word, while "cere" is. Here the singular "cera" occurs in paragraph 13.
  "vix" appears in both manuscripts, but all three letters are considerably different.

• RE: Matches for the marginalia Latin script [IN OTHER MANUSCRIPTS]

  ReneZ > 02-09-2019, 06:33 PM

  I always liked Pal.Germ. 647 which is from 1445-1460 and the language / dialect is "Südrheinfränkisch".
  
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  Some clips:
     
     
     
  
  It's clearly not the same person but to me it's quite similar.
  Also nice, I think, that he does not try to write the Greek letters Chi and Rho, but uses straightforward x and p.
  
     

• RE: Matches for the marginalia Latin script [IN OTHER MANUSCRIPTS]

  -JKP- > 02-09-2019, 07:29 PM

  (02-09-2019, 05:04 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[upper text and part of big pic deleted for brevity]
  
     
  
  
  "(La)tere" in the 6th paragraph is a good match for what is often read "cere" in VMS You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. line 2. But "tere" is not a legal latin word, while "cere" is...

  
  For those who aren't familiar with Latin, latere refers to the side (dolore in sinistro latere > pain/twinge/discomfort in the left side).
  
  The shape of the "r" in this Egerton sample is actually quite unusual. It is a footed-r, which is fairly common, but the scribe rolls the foot up in a curve so that it touches the crossbar (so that it almost looks like a medieval "v"). This is not a common way to write "r".
  
  As strange as it may look to modern eyes, the 116v "r" with the hook so far from the stem is actually fairly common. I see it regularly. But a rolled-up foot on an "r" so that it almost could be mistaken for "v" is much harder to find.

• RE: Matches for the marginalia Latin script [IN OTHER MANUSCRIPTS]

  -JKP- > 02-09-2019, 10:38 PM

  I took a look and I have these in my database (I have more than 1500 samples that are similar to the 116v text in my database).
  
  Here is a comparison among the three manuscripts:
  
  

• RE: Matches for the marginalia Latin script [IN OTHER MANUSCRIPTS]

  Helmut Winkler > 03-09-2019, 08:58 AM

  'tere' is a valid Latin word and it gives a possible way of interpretation I never thought of and the pal. germ.  uses minuscule Greek letters, which just look like Latin letters

• RE: Matches for the marginalia Latin script [IN OTHER MANUSCRIPTS]

  Koen G > 03-09-2019, 10:04 AM

  (03-09-2019, 08:58 AM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.'tere' is a valid Latin word

  
  
  I found "tere" in two sentences, both from a pharmaceutical text You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. :
  
  annosa rubros si legeris arbore uermes,
  ex oleo tere: sic tepidos infunde dolenti.
  
  ergo age et abreptam salicis frondemque librumque
  cum uino tere, tum contractos perline neruos.
  
  So there's oil and wine "tere"

• RE: Matches for the marginalia Latin script [IN OTHER MANUSCRIPTS]

  Helmut Winkler > 03-09-2019, 11:10 AM

  Koen,
  this is what I meant, it is the imperative of the verb terere, tero, trivi, tritum, terere, and it is widely used in medieval recipes and means  'grind it up', 'pulverize it' (and mix it with something)

• RE: Matches for the marginalia Latin script [IN OTHER MANUSCRIPTS]

  MarcoP > 03-09-2019, 11:29 AM

  Thank you, Helmut! That's quite interesting indeed...
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