Anton > 26-08-2017, 12:59 AM
MarcoP > 26-08-2017, 03:41 PM
(25-08-2017, 08:46 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Marco provides the parallel with the "Herba Hochulus Christi" plant. I'm not sure why Segre Rutz identifies it with Lithospermum, because "Oculus Christi" is one of the species of Inula, and I guess this botanical name derives from some tradition?!
The eye in the root is a very good matching pattern, however the flowers are of a different colour (and, moreover, the real Inula flowers are yet of an altogether different colour).
-JKP- > 26-08-2017, 04:09 PM
Anton > 26-08-2017, 05:36 PM
-JKP- > 26-08-2017, 07:01 PM
(26-08-2017, 05:36 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.OK, so the "Oculus Christi" has been identified as Inula after all. The problem is that "Oculus Christi" in BNF Latin 17844 does not look like Inula Helenium at all. Inula helenium has yellow flowers and broad leaves. Inula Oculus Christi is closer in terms of leaves, but it has yellow flowers still. While I would admit that blue in the VMS and red in BNF Latin 17844 may be variants of the same thing, they both do not have anything in common with yellow. Since the "eye of God" is associated with at least three plants even in the same herbal, I think further attempts should be made to identify the plant in BNF Latin 17844, 101r.
-JKP- > 27-08-2017, 03:05 PM
(27-08-2017, 02:59 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(26-08-2017, 04:09 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....there is another Oculis Christi called Sweet William
Hi JKP, this information seems relevant to me. Could you please link a source?
MarcoP > 27-08-2017, 03:48 PM
(27-08-2017, 03:05 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(27-08-2017, 02:59 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(26-08-2017, 04:09 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....there is another Oculis Christi called Sweet William
Hi JKP, this information seems relevant to me. Could you please link a source?
Marco, I did about 85% of my plant research in 2008 and early 2009, so it may take me a few hours to find it, but I will try to get it for you as soon as possible.
If I remember correctly, one of the references was Mittelalterliche Pflanzenkunde by Hermann Fischer, but I'm going by memory, and I don't think this was the earliest reference.
-JKP- > 27-08-2017, 04:11 PM