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RE: Horčický's books
ReneZ > 06-07-2020, 05:27 AM
"Pontanus" when used by Bohemians usually refers to the city of Most. People born there, or descending from famous people born there, for example.
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RE: Horčický's books
Anton > 06-07-2020, 12:51 PM
Yes, this is just the reference to the origin, like "Mstoviensis" or other similar designations mentioned above in the thread.
Most means bridge in Russian, guess the same is in Czech. Pons is bridge in Latin. -
RE: Horčický's books
ReneZ > 08-07-2020, 07:49 PM
Here are two more signatures, from unpublished documents, and unfortunately I cannot give the sources.
They are useful comparison material for the one on MS #40 and the one found by Jan Hurych.
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RE: Horčický's books
Anton > 08-07-2020, 09:12 PM
Yes, indeed, very similar, with the exception of the "T" which is uncharacteristic in #40. -
RE: Horčický's books
Aga Tentakulus > 08-03-2024, 08:17 AM
I came across something and, as always, "there was something".
Jakub Horčický z Tepence was born in Krumlov in 1575.
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Wilhelm von Rosenberg commissioned the architect Baldassare Maggi to build the new Jesuit College in Krumlov.
Since it is a new building and also a new college, where did the books come from? There must have been more than a few.
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Jakobi Tepenec is employed as a kitchen boy at this very college. He later studied herbalism and chemistry.
It was 10 years ago that Tepenec was present at the college. As a kitchen boy and as a student.
He left Krumlov in 1598 and later came to the court of Rudolf II.
The college was closed in 1773. Where did the books go? To Italy?
The VM bears Tepenec's name. Did the book come to this college? Did he describe it there, and did it ever leave?
The VM reappears in Italy with his name on it. And again something with Jesuits. A bit much for me.
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RE: Horčický's books
ReneZ > 08-03-2024, 10:45 AM
(08-03-2024, 08:17 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I came across something and, as always, "there was something".
Jakub Horčický z Tepence was born in Krumlov in 1575.
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Wilhelm von Rosenberg commissioned the architect Baldassare Maggi to build the new Jesuit College in Krumlov.
Since it is a new building and also a new college, where did the books come from? There must have been more than a few.
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Jakobi Tepenec is employed as a kitchen boy at this very college. He later studied herbalism and chemistry.
It was 10 years ago that Tepenec was present at the college. As a kitchen boy and as a student.
He left Krumlov in 1598 and later came to the court of Rudolf II.
Most details about his early life come from a single source, but there are additional sources that provide alternative information. The summary is here:
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RE: Horčický's books
Aga Tentakulus > 08-03-2024, 03:09 PM
Interesting, thank you.
I just read something about the aristocratic title "Tepenece".
If he only got the title of nobility around 1608, and "Tepenece" is in the VM, I would assume that he signed it after 1608.
It is possible that it came to the Jesuits with the estate.
But still, how did the book get to the north? Also via the Jesuits? Did it only make one round trip? It looks like there was a close connection.
Just read it in the preliminary discussion.
You came to the same conclusion.
I've only just seen it. -
RE: Horčický's books
dvoileGenealogie > Yesterday, 02:29 PM
Dear all,
I'm genealogist and here I will give my opinion on all this interesting research on book proveniance.
Here what I read and understand for the ex-libris of Jacobus Sinapius. I will split them into three groups :
** Jacobj à Tepenecz - N°4
** Jacobj à Tepenecz - N°19
- both ex-libris are written with the same hand.
- the name & number are, for each, written with the same pen and the same ink.
- it's writen in latein letters ('e', 'z')
- the N has a double-stroke
- there is an '°' after the N.
** Jacobi Synapij inscriptus Anno 1602 - N 7
** Jacobi Synapij anno 1602 inscriptus - N 18
- both ex-libris are written with the same hand.
- the name & number are, for each, written with the same pen and the same ink.
- it's writen in latein letters
- the N has a simple-stroke
- there is no '°' after the N.
** Jakuba z Tepeneze - N°40
- we don't clearly see the color of the ink for "N°40", put the pen may be another for the number and for the ex-libris.
- we don't clearly see if the N has a double-stroke.
- there is an '°' after the N.
- the person seems to be here Jacobus Sinapius himself.
I think in the whole collection of Jacobus Sinapius, there was at least 2 or 3 ordered sub-collections and this should explain why the books noted in 1602 and the "Voynich collection" have unordered (between) them chronological numbers.
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RE: Horčický's books
nablator > Yesterday, 02:51 PM
(Yesterday, 02:29 PM)dvoileGenealogie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.** Jakuba z Tepeneze - N°40
- we don't clearly see the color of the ink for "N°40", put the pen may be another for the number and for the ex-libris.
- we don't clearly see if the N has a double-stroke.
There is a color You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. of the book, shelf mark NKCR XVII.F.13.
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RE: Horčický's books
Jorge_Stolfi > 11 hours ago
(Yesterday, 02:29 PM)dvoileGenealogie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Here what I read and understand for the ex-libris of Jacobus Sinapius.
** Jacobj à Tepenecz - N°4
** Jacobj à Tepenecz - N°19
both ex-libris are written with the same hand.
More than that: they are identical except for the number.
Quote:the name & number are, for each, written with the same pen and the same ink.
I don't see how you can say that for #19. Maybe the pen can be said to be similar, but the ink has been so altered by erasure and chemicals that it is impossible to tell.
Quote:Jakuba z Tepeneze - N°40
we don't clearly see if the N has a double-stroke.
That is definitely not an "N" but an "H". Since the name is in Czech, the "H" must be an abbreviation of some Czech word. Do we have any Czech speakers in the audience?
Quote:the person seems to be here Jacobus Sinapius himself
Indeed it matches the signature "manu propria" shown in René's page, including the peculiar x-like "p".
Quote:I think in the whole collection of Jacobus Sinapius, there was at least 2 or 3 ordered sub-collections and this should explain why the books noted in 1602 and the "Voynich collection" have unordered (between) them chronological numbers.
Allright, but there are other explanations...
All the best, --stolfi