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  dvoileGenealogie > Yesterday, 03:53 PM

  (Yesterday, 02:51 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (Yesterday, 02:29 PM)dvoileGenealogie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.** Jakuba z Tepeneze - N°40
  
  - we don't clearly see the color of the ink for "N°40", put the pen may be another for the number and for the ex-libris.
  
  - we don't clearly see if the N has a double-stroke.

  
  
  
  There is a color You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. of the book, shelf mark NKCR XVII.F.13.

  Thanks a lot nablator !
  
  Here's a new try.
  ** Jakuba z Tepeneze - N°40
  - the name & number are written with the same pen and the same ink.
  - we don't clearly see if the letter has a double-stroke.
  - there is an '°' after the letter.
  - the person seems to be here Jacobus Sinapius himself.
  
  I write "the letter", because I don't read it clearly : is it a H or a N ?
  Have we material on how Jacobus Sinapius wrote the H, the N, ... ? Letters from him ?
  
  Thanks,
  Fabien F.

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  pjburkshire > Yesterday, 04:12 PM

  (Yesterday, 02:29 PM)dvoileGenealogie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  I'm genealogist and here I will give my opinion on all this interesting research on book proveniance.
  

  
  
  That is fascinating.  I assume Jacobus Horcicky/Sinapius de Tepenec never married.  Do you know of information on his parents or siblings or other relatives?  It is often said that he acquired the Voynich Manuscript in Prague but I wonder if he could have acquired it near where he was born or where he went to school.

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  dvoileGenealogie > 11 hours ago

  (Yesterday, 04:12 PM)pjburkshire Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (Yesterday, 02:29 PM)dvoileGenealogie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  I'm genealogist and here I will give my opinion on all this interesting research on book proveniance.
  

  
  
  That is fascinating.  I assume Jacobus Horcicky/Sinapius de Tepenec never married.  Do you know of information on his parents or siblings or other relatives?  It is often said that he acquired the Voynich Manuscript in Prague but I wonder if he could have acquired it near where he was born or where he went to school.

  
  Facinating for sure.
  But for me, the investigation is not in his childhood... not yet... The facts first.
  The fact is here, there was an identical ex-libris (except the number) on both books. And the name writen is Jacobj à Tepenec. The investigation should ever keep in mind this fact.
  Further, it seems that Jacobus Sinapius de Tepenec didn't wrote these two ex-libris, so why ? Who wrote them, how, when, and why ?
  
  Fabien.

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  dvoileGenealogie > 11 hours ago

  Quote:More than that: they are identical except for the number.

  Indeed...
  
  

  Quote:I don't see how you can say that for #19.  Maybe the pen can be said to be similar, but the ink has been so altered by erasure and chemicals that it is impossible to tell.

  You are right. We can say it for #4 only.
  
  

  Quote:That is definitely not an "N" but an "H".  Since the name is in Czech, the "H" must be an abbreviation of some Czech word.  Do we have any Czech speakers in the audience?

  Indeed, we need a letter from Jacobus Sinapius to state on it.
  
  

  Quote:Indeed it matches the signature "manu propria" shown in René's page, including the peculiar x-like "p".

  Indeed !
  
  

  Quote:I think in the whole collection of Jacobus Sinapius, there was at least 2 or 3 ordered sub-collections and this should explain why the books noted in 1602 and the "Voynich collection" have unordered (between) them chronological numbers.

  Quote:Allright, but there are other explanations...

  This theory of two different collections could explain why the #4 (dated after 1608) is written after the #7 or #18 (dated from 1602). 
  Could you please give us other explanations ? I'm very new on this research, thank you.
  
  All the best, --stolfi
  [/quote]

• RE: Horčický's books

  Jorge_Stolfi > 10 hours ago

  (11 hours ago)dvoileGenealogie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Could you please give us other explanations ?

  
  It is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.... 
  
  All the best, --stolfi

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  dvoileGenealogie > 9 hours ago

  (10 hours ago)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (11 hours ago)dvoileGenealogie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Could you please give us other explanations ?

  
  It is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.... 
  
  All the best, --stolfi

  
  The forgery hypothesis is possible, but what motive would Wilfrid Voynich have had to fabricate it? The manuscript’s origin from Prague seemed well established, supported in particular by the letter accompanying it. Its provenance was also traced back beyond the reign of the known emperor, which strengthens its credibility. Moreover, the manuscript was already considered valuable from the very beginning of its documented history.
  
  I think the removal of the ex libris, as well as the alteration of the marginal mark, was likely carried out by someone else—someone intent on preserving the mystery, even before Athanasius Kircher became involved. This person may not have wanted anyone to know that the manuscript had been in the possession of Jacobus, nor to read the beginning of the unsuccessful decoding in the margin. Perhaps it was not even Jacobus himself.
  
  Regards 
  Fabien F.

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  dvoileGenealogie > 8 hours ago

  Albertus WROBLICIUS, Silesius

  • 1599 - 1600 : Student in Krumlov.
    - 29 May 1599 : “Description of poor students in the House of the Poor, carried out on Thursday after the Sunday of Exaudi 1599. The recorders and some foreigners: (...) Albertus Wrublicius, singer (discantist).”
    - 2 March 1600 : “Description of students, pupils of His Illustrious Lord, in the House of the Poor, carried out by order of His Illustrious Lord Letha 1600, on the second day of March. They are not subjects of the Illustrious : (...) Albertus Wroblicius, Polish (discantist).”
    - 18 December 1600 : “Description of poor students in the House of the Poor, carried out by order of His Illustrious Lord Letha 1600, on 18 December. They are not subjects of the Illustrious : (...) Albertus Wroblicius, Polish.”
  • 1604: Ex-Libris #4
    
  • 8 June 1606: Baccalaureus Artium (University of Prague, St. Charles)
    
  • 5 February 1608: Imm. Univ. Graz, Ex-Theologia, “Albertus Wroblicius, Mstokiensis, Silesius”
    
  • 8 July 1608: Magister Artium (Graz University)
    “In the same year, on 8 July, at 7 a.m., twenty-four Licentiates in the Liberal Arts and Philosophy were decorated with the highest laurea in Philosophy, under the promotion of the Reverend Father Johannes Gerotto, Master of Liberal Arts and Philosophy and Dean of the same faculty (from the course of P. Luca Vintana). (...) At the same time, Albertus Wroblicius, Silesian, Auditeur of Sacred Theology, from the Ferdinandeum, was promoted along with them.”
    
  • 11 April 1611: Degree in Philosophy (Graz University)
    “In the year of our Lord 1611, on 11 April, under the rectorship of the Reverend Father Floriano Auancino and with the promotion of Guilielmus Lamormain, Dean of the faculty, the following twenty young men were decorated with the first laurea in Philosophy (from the course of P. Henricus Philippus). (...) The R.(everend) D.(ominus) M.(agister) Albertus Wroblicius, from the Ferdinandeum, was included.”
    
  • 5 June 1611: Baccalaureus Theologiae
    “The Theological Disputation De Verbo Incarnato, which the Reverend and Most Learned Master Albertus Wroblicius, from the Ferdinandeum, will defend on 5 June in order to obtain the Baccalaureate in Sacred Theology, presided over by R.P. Guilielmus Lamormain of the Society of Jesus, Professor of Sacred Theology.”
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  • Priest at Kojetín from 1614
    On 28 November 1610, Václav Hanzlerus of Plzeň was appointed to the parish of Kojetín. He left the post after four years to join the Plumlov estate, and Albertus Wroblicius arrived in Kojetín. At that time, alongside Catholics, there were also Czech Brethren present, although the seigneurial authority of Kojetín and the bishop recognized and supported only Catholicism. Albertus Wroblicius served from 1614 (departure date unknown), followed by Urban Chlubný from 1625.
    

  Note: In 1602, Archduke Ferdinand signed the founding charter of the Ferdinandeum as a college (Konvikt), in Graz, for students at the Jesuit university.
  
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  That's it, some other researches will be done on him, very soon, if possible.
  
  Regards

• RE: Horčický's books

  Jorge_Stolfi > 7 hours ago

  (9 hours ago)dvoileGenealogie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The forgery hypothesis is possible, but what motive would Wilfrid Voynich have had to fabricate it? The manuscript’s origin from Prague seemed well established, supported in particular by the letter accompanying it. Its provenance was also traced back beyond the reign of the known emperor, which strengthens its credibility. Moreover, the manuscript was already considered valuable from the very beginning of its documented history.

  
  The provenance of the VMS is not well established, not at all.  The "mainstream" version hinges entirely on Wilfrid Voynich's statements -- and in fact, it seems, not even directly, but by  interpreting them to say more than what they actually say.  For starters, there is serious doubt about the claim that Marci's letter was ever attached to the VMS.
  
  But, again, that is a very long discussion that has generated hundreds of posts on that thread an on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..  Suffices to say that, in order to sell the VMS as a Bacon Original, Wilfrid needed (1) evidence that the VMS was the book mentioned in Marci's letter, and (2) and explanation for how such a valuable book could have left Rudolf II's library and ended up in Barschius's hands.  That "signature" by Jacobus serves admirably well for both purposes...
  
  

  Quote:I think the removal of the ex libris, as well as the alteration of the marginal mark, was likely carried out by someone else—someone intent on preserving the mystery, even before Athanasius Kircher became involved. This person may not have wanted anyone to know that the manuscript had been in the possession of Jacobus, nor to read the beginning of the unsuccessful decoding in the margin. Perhaps it was not even Jacobus himself.

  
  That is one possible explanation for why the ex-libris would have been erased, if it was not forged by Wilfrid; and why neither Barschius nor Marci mentioned that signature -- even though anyone who examined the manuscript with any care should have seen it, if it was there.   Maybe Jacobus "tacitly borrowed" the VMS from Rudolf's library, or Barschius "tacitly borrowed" it from Jacobus or from Jacobus's donation to the Clementinum...
  
  All the best, --stolfi

• RE: Horčický's books

  dvoileGenealogie > 4 hours ago

  Quote:By the way, what i'm puzzled about is what that "M" is preceding "Albertus" in the name of Wroblicius.

  
  M. means Magister, it's university degree.

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  dvoileGenealogie > 4 hours ago

  M. Albertus WROBLICIUS Silesius, Mostoviensis
  Catholic priest
  

  * ca.1587, Mstów (Silesia, Poland)

  + after 1646

  School Life in Krumlov (1599–1600)

  Albertus Wroblicius began his education in Krumlov around 1599.

  Records from the House of the Poor mention him as a student and singer (discantist) :

  - 29 May 1599: “Description of poor students in the House of the Poor, carried out on Thursday after the Sunday of Exaudi 1599. The recorders and some foreigners: (...) Albertus Wrublicius, singer (discantist).”

  - 2 March 1600: “Description of students, pupils of His Illustrious Lord, in the House of the Poor, carried out by order of His Illustrious Lord Letha 1600, on the second day of March. They are not subjects of the Illustrious: (...) Albertus Wroblicius, Polish (discantist).

  - 18 December 1600: “Description of poor students in the House of the Poor, carried out by order of His Illustrious Lord Letha 1600, on 18 December. They are not subjects of the Illustrious: (...) Albertus Wroblicius, Polish.”

  These records show that Albertus was actively involved in both academic and musical activities during his early education.

  University Studies and Theological Formation (1604–1611) - Prague & Graz

  In 1604, Wroblicius appears in an ex-libris (#4), reflecting his growing scholarly profile. By 8 June 1606, he had completed his Baccalaureus Artium at Charles University, Prague, marking the formal start of his university-level studies in liberal arts.

  In November 1607, he was accepted at the Ferdinandeum as a future theologian, gratis. On 5 February 1608, he enrolled at the University of Graz, listed as “Albertus Wroblicius, Mstokiensis, Silesius”. In November 1608, he fulfilled the conditions of his admission at the Ferdinandeum and returned to the institution.

  By 8 July 1608, he obtained the Magister Philosophiae at Graz. On that day, twenty-four licentiates in liberal arts and philosophy received the highest laurea under the promotion of the Reverend Father Johannes Gerotto, Master of Liberal Arts and Philosophy and Dean of the Faculty (from the course of P. Luca Vintana). Albertus Wroblicius, Silesian and Auditeur of Sacred Theology from the Ferdinandeum, was promoted alongside them.

  Entry into the Clerical State (1611)

  At the beginning of 1611, aged 24, Albertus Wroblicius received SPS, Prima tonsura et Minores, marking his entry into the clerical state with the first tonsure and minor orders.

  On 11 April 1611, he obtained another degree in philosophy at the University of Graz. The record states:

  “Under the rectorship of the Reverend Father Floriano Avancino and with the promotion of Guilielmus Lamormain, Dean of the Faculty, twenty young men were awarded their first laurea in Philosophy (from the course of P. Henricus Philippus). (...) The Reverend D. Magister Albertus Wroblicius, from the Ferdinandeum, was included.”

  On 5 June 1611, he defended the Theological Disputation De Verbo Incarnato to obtain the Baccalaureus Theologiae, presided over by R.P. Guilielmus Lamormain, Professor of Sacred Theology. He formally completed this baccalaureate on 16 July 1611. In the same year, he also received the subdiaconate.

  Ministry at Kojetín (1614–?)

  Albertus Wroblicius began his ministry at Kojetín in 1614, following the departure of Václav Hanzlerus of Plzeň, who had been appointed on 28 November 1610 and left after four years to join the Plumlov estate. At that time, Kojetín had both Catholics and Czech Brethren, but the seigneurial authority and the bishop recognized and supported only Catholicism. Albertus served until an unknown date, after which Urban Chlubný took over in 1625.

  1624 - mentioned in Velká Bíteš

  1646 - mentioned as V.(iro) - 59 years old.

  
  

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  Note : The Ferdinandeum in Graz, where Albertus studied theology, had been founded in 1602 by Archduke Ferdinand as a college (Konvikt) for students at the Jesuit university.
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