As a symbol for Francis I, the salamander, whatever its appearance, is quite consistently depicted with flames and a crown. Since the VMs illustration appears to lack both, this would seem to negate the comparison.
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(16-10-2020, 07:58 AM)ReneZ wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.My guess FWIW is a tongue, and it is supposed to be some kind of lizard.
I was not thinking of a salamander.
There aren't so many lizard drawings in bestiaries, but there are a few, also with a pointed tongue.
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2nd Witch:
"Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing,--
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble."
It's commonly understood that the ingredients are actually plants (eye of new t being mustard seeds, for example) so maybe the amphibians are nothing more than the code for the surrounding plants.
22-10-2020, 12:06 PM (This post was last modified: 22-10-2020, 01:53 PM by bi3mw.)
Here an example like in Rene`s opening post ( first example, Munich CLM 28531 ). This position of a frog seems to occur more often. It`s name is also rana.
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This manuscript is classified by Baumann as one of the 'North Italian group' and as a copy of Paris, Bibliothèque de l'Ecole des Beaux-Arts, MS Masson 116.
So you will most likely see a frog here (but I can't find it right now).
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(22-10-2020, 12:06 PM)bi3mw wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So you will most likely see a frog here (but I can't find it right now).
Hi, bi3mw:
It's folio150r.
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This is the only frog I could find in a "materia medica" ( Dioscorides ). It is shown in a different perspective (side view) and there is no plant on this folio. - The Frog is inscribed as "phrynos he batrachos" ( whatever that means ).
The section is about the power of strong drugs to help or harm ( fols. 306r-319v ).
The Morgan library & Museum,Constantinople, mid 10th century,
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phryn, phryno,phrunos - Greek toad
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batraxos - greek frog
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