-JKP- > 06-05-2017, 05:00 AM
coded > 06-05-2017, 03:08 PM
(06-05-2017, 05:00 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Stellar, I hope you realize if you throw random words into Google translate that the software will do its best to make some grammatical sense of it even if there isn't any. In other words, it's not just translating words, it's making "best guesses" as to what you MIGHT mean, so just because parts of it SEEM to make sense doesn't mean the original text says anything.
coded > 06-05-2017, 04:48 PM
(05-05-2017, 01:43 PM)Davidsch Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Tom, what you created looks very plausible. Perhaps you could expand the possibilities for the ring a bit, let's say to 16 letters each?
Over and autum.
-JKP- > 06-05-2017, 06:26 PM
(06-05-2017, 04:48 PM)coded Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
I want to remind everyone this is a running a experiment and a work in progress the goal is to make sense of at least 3 folios and see if the vords are transferable so that it can be concise or make sense across the VMS.
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-JKP- > 06-05-2017, 06:31 PM
(06-05-2017, 04:48 PM)coded Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.@Koen and Jkp
I believe I'm on to something here and a team effort is what cracking the VMS is all about. I think credit for a single person's idea is silly if we can crack it then it not just us who cracked or the Russians or any single group or person its the whole VMS community! We all realize its trial and error so please everyone why not bring new ideas to this possibility instead of negativity or sarcasm. If the VMS gets cracked in this fashion what I'm saying it's just as much Alberti's credit or Jkp' if we all work together we share in the credit. Think about we all have been working together, but our ego's are getting in the way!
Koen G > 06-05-2017, 07:30 PM
coded > 06-05-2017, 09:02 PM
R. Sale > 06-05-2017, 09:10 PM
-JKP- > 06-05-2017, 10:01 PM
coded > 06-05-2017, 10:01 PM
(06-05-2017, 07:30 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Stellar, the problem with this cipher is exactly the same as with your previous one. If you let a thousand people solve it, you will get a thousand different results. But instead of explaining it once again, I'll tell you how to experience it.
Your proposal is built on the following premises:
The third part is crucial, since the definition of a one-way cipher implies that it cannot be deciphered.
- The VM is written in encoded Latin
- It is an Alberti cipher
- It is not a one-way cipher, which means that the recipient should be able to retrieve the encoded message unambiguously.
If your proposed solution is correct, or has any merit to it whatsoever, you should be able to complete the following challenge:
I promise you that it will not work, but feel free to prove me wrong.
- Print You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
- Make a physical version of your cipher disk - this should be easy with paper, I assume.
- Step away from all electronic devices, use no internet, apps or other tools that would have been unavailable to a 15th century recipient.
- Using pen, paper, your cipher disk and your proposed method, decipher the page.
- Time how long this takes you.
- Emerge from the woods victorious, with the solution to the Voynich and the proof of your method in your hands.
Quote:@Koen It is not a one-way cipher, which means that the recipient should be able to retrieve the encoded message unambiguously.