Koen G > 14-04-2017, 08:59 PM
(14-04-2017, 08:49 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:Despite Davidsch' and Anton's remarks, I maintain that it is (unfortunately!) impossible to prove that the text is meaningless. All one can do is demonstrate that a hypothesized method of text generating is feasible.
This is effectively the same as to say that "it is impossible to prove that the text is meaningful. All one can do is to demonstrate that the text can be unambigously mapped to a certain plain text in some language. But the fact that such mapping fits may be purely accidental."
Ceteris paribus, if one demonstrates a method (of text generating), for me that would present a definite argument (I wonder why it won't for you). The problem is that noone has yet succeded in that, and for sure cannot succeed as long as existing transcriptions are used which simply do not address all peculiarities of the script.
Anton > 14-04-2017, 09:11 PM
Quote:Imagine a scenario where the VM is the 100th book this person has filled with gibberish language. It has become his second nature to make it look and feel like normal language and the words pour out as his pen flies across the vellum. Basically, the writer is already very well trained in writing Voynichese, and through the years it has become what it is now.
This would mean that the text is utterly meaningless, but no schemes or procedures have been used at all.
Quote:It may be possible, with enough patience and knowledge, to write a program or procedure that does the same for Latin for example.
Koen G > 14-04-2017, 09:17 PM
ReneZ > 15-04-2017, 08:47 AM
nickpelling > 15-04-2017, 09:13 AM
DonaldFisk > 15-04-2017, 02:53 PM
(15-04-2017, 09:13 AM)nickpelling Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Modelling Voynichese solely as a (large) set of prefixes and suffixes is arguably even more reductive than Gordon Rugg's table (if more empirical). But I don't honestly think { {pick a prefix} x {pick a suffix} } really counts as a valid state transition model in any useful sense of the phrase.Because I wrote the blog pages in the order I did the analysis, only correcting things if I subsequently discovered them to be wrong (i.e. mistakes), it's easy to misinterpret what I wrote. I could have avoided that if I simply wrote a paper after doing the research, leaving out any ideas which I pursued along the way that were eventually dropped, such as that words are composed from prefixes and suffixes. But I also wanted to show the path the research took, not just the final result. Perhaps I should have advised people to read my blog backwards.
coded > 15-04-2017, 03:39 PM
Quote:@FiskDonald do I understand you correctly? This would leave the vocabulary of the Voynich to be very limited.
My theory is that words are composed of individual glyphs, not prefixes and suffixes.
davidjackson > 15-04-2017, 08:30 PM
DonaldFisk > 15-04-2017, 08:45 PM
(15-04-2017, 03:39 PM)coded Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:@FiskDonald do I understand you correctly? This would leave the vocabulary of the Voynich to be very limited.
My theory is that words are composed of individual glyphs, not prefixes and suffixes.
DonaldFisk > 15-04-2017, 08:54 PM
(15-04-2017, 08:30 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Or am I missing an option?