Anton > 14-04-2017, 12:48 PM
Anton > 14-04-2017, 02:50 PM
Davidsch > 14-04-2017, 03:31 PM
ReneZ > 14-04-2017, 05:15 PM
Koen G > 14-04-2017, 08:23 PM
DonaldFisk > 14-04-2017, 08:40 PM
(14-04-2017, 11:35 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.FOR: (the Montemurro argument, which is confirmed also by my own analysis): the text shows variations which are typical for different subject matter, and the variations coincide with the types of illustrations.
(The main problem with this analysis is that Montemurro et al do not mention at all the two types of text on the Herbal pages, which are more different than that between sections with different illustrations.)
Anton > 14-04-2017, 08:41 PM
Quote:"Meaning" I would define as the ability of the text to convey information.
Anton > 14-04-2017, 08:49 PM
Quote:Despite Davidsch' and Anton's remarks, I maintain that it is (unfortunately!) impossible to prove that the text is meaningless. All one can do is demonstrate that a hypothesized method of text generating is feasible.
Koen G > 14-04-2017, 08:54 PM
(14-04-2017, 08:41 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:"Meaning" I would define as the ability of the text to convey information.
No that's definitely not a good approach. "Meaning" should be tied to something human, i.e. meaning is always subjective.
It's exactly because of that difficulty with agreeing upon the meaning of "meaning" that I proposed to go the other way around and to discuss "meaninglessness" instead - by way of substituting "schematic" text generation for the notion of "meaninglessness". There is certainly a bit of sophistry in that, but actually that's what people mean. When they discuss the meaninglessness of the VMS, they effectively argue some procedure of text generation - like grilles (Rugg), auto-copying (Timm), or state transition probability tables (Fisk).