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• RE: Scorpios

  ReneZ > 04-01-2026, 01:56 AM

  (03-01-2026, 02:20 PM)Stefan Wirtz_2 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Fine, and Gemini is next to Cancer.
  Both facts are no explanations, why most Zodiacs show a scorpion at Scorpius position, but some Zodiacs use all kinds of dragons instead, between Libra and Sagittarius. 

  
  As should have been clear from the part of your text that I quoted, it was meant to explain why the illustration you referred to had the snake bearer standing on top of a scorpion (apart from holding a snake).

• RE: Scorpios

  NosDa > 07-01-2026, 11:08 PM

  (01-01-2026, 10:57 PM)Stefan Wirtz_2 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (01-01-2026, 07:15 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The fact that both stars are valid has something to do with the two circles overlapping here. Green and orange.
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  There is an explanation folio in the same book, several pages before:
  
  
  
  The original text reaches back to ancient Caesarian times, but this here seems to be the printed version of 1474, which means the illustrations may not be trend-setting, but following a trend or fashion of that time.
  The text opens with "ophiucus" (Ophiuchus) aka serpentarius and does not mention Scorpius / scorpion in the first line, this will come from the original Latin text version, maybe the scorpion was intertwined with the snakeholder figure to link him with the "modern" understanding of that zodiac, as the Latin source was some 1,000 years older, in relation to 15th centrury.
  
  

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  This second image seems to skip "Libra", but shows a standard scorpion:
  
  
  
  I don't quite get it here, or the relevance of this folio now. But in the center seems to be the combination of Ursa maior, Ursa minor and Serpens/Drago.

  
  There was a point at which Scorpio and Libra were connected, in Early Greek astrology. Libra was originally referred to as the Claws, because it appeared to form the claws of the scorpion next to it. This later became the Scales, but Libra continued to be referenced that way infrequently. The illustration shows a really large set of claws proportionate to the body of the Scorpion, so it could be happening here. The manuscript itself is probably too late, but if the illustration is copied from an earlier one then possible.
  
  Edit: I'm bad at formatting, apologies.
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