Koen G > 08-02-2017, 06:14 PM
Anton > 08-02-2017, 06:34 PM
davidjackson > 08-02-2017, 07:44 PM
Quote:Anton: Natural languages also can have ornate letters, even hieroglyphics apart. Consider, for example, the glagolithic alphabet.
Quote: Anton: I think the simplest reason for the script being "fluid" is that it was understood in advance that much is to be written using the script. Simple (vs ornate) script just saves effort of writing.Yet other scripts, designed from the ground up, did not have this consideration, as discussed above.
Quote: ReneZ: I guess you are (also) referring to the pseudo-scripts that were popular from 1300-1500 in Western art. [..] In the middle ages one could apparently learn the names of the people who invented all the know alphabets:Yes, although here you are also talking about Renaissance linguistic epistemology. My thoughts as I wrote the post were, I confess, more along the lines of the invented scripts we read about in the archives of the Spanish Inquisition - impressive looking charms (and curses!) sold by charlatans to the gullible. Interestingly enough, the Church in Spain did not consider this sort of hedge magic to be real and vendors uncovered by the Inquisition were usually prosecuted under civil law rather than being subjected first to church Inquisition.
Davidsch > 08-02-2017, 07:51 PM
Anton > 08-02-2017, 08:23 PM
Quote:Glagolithic was an invented alphabet. 9th century, wasn't it?
Quote:Yet other scripts, designed from the ground up, did not have this consideration, as discussed above.
Quote:They are like this because they weren't designed to encode an entire book, only phrases or even words.
ReneZ > 09-02-2017, 08:19 AM
Koen G > 09-02-2017, 10:00 AM
(09-02-2017, 08:19 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It seems highly relevant that the Voynich script looks fluid when writing its "own language":
torchey otaiin chary oteory otal
but not when writing anything else:
the quick brown fox etc
Anton > 09-02-2017, 10:50 AM
davidjackson > 09-02-2017, 10:57 AM
ReneZ > 09-02-2017, 06:41 PM
(07-02-2017, 10:29 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The Alphabetum Kaldeorum already appears in the travel reports of someone called Jehan de Mandeville (before 1371) and turns out to be basically the same as the Aethicus alphabet