stellar > 08-01-2017, 08:20 PM
Quote:In the end, the most plausible hypothesis for the Voynich manuscript is that the text generation method described in this paper was used to generate a meaningless pseudo text.I have to disagree here in the vein of the entirety of the VMS. If this is your belief, I don't think you have applied enough statistics for the possibility that Gematria is the underlying meaning for the VMS. Yes mixed letters that add as numbers for every word could be an invented language, privy to the Author and that is possible; so why not run your numbers again on some my suggestions.
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Davidsch > 09-01-2017, 01:15 AM
stellar > 09-01-2017, 10:02 AM
Psillycyber > 10-01-2017, 02:00 PM
Psillycyber > 10-01-2017, 02:21 PM
Sam G > 10-01-2017, 03:07 PM
(10-01-2017, 02:21 PM)Psillycyber Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I see you make the same point in your latest paper, Torsten, with "the" also generating words like "phe" "khe" and "theee" if the VMS were like English.
The shaded percentage tables really seal the deal.
If you look at the Arabic example, already by the time you move to looking at words 1 edit distance away, there is hardly any discernable pattern, except for a tendency to not use similar words right after one another, and a slight tendency to use similar words at the same position in earlier lines (you see this in poetry—for example, if the ends of lines rhyme, you are going to see the line endings look like "ball," "fall," "tall," etc., or "cat," "sat," "hat." I don't know if the Quran was written a bit poetically, but it wouldn't surprise me. I bet if you had looked at words with edit distances of two in the Quran, the patterns would have disappeared entirely.
Whereas, with the VMS, the wider you cast the edit-distance net, the stronger the pattern becomes—like throwing a stone onto the page and seeing the similar words ripple out around it. Amazing.
Sam G > 10-01-2017, 04:16 PM
Psillycyber > 10-01-2017, 05:08 PM
Torsten > 10-01-2017, 05:24 PM
Quote:Sam G Wrote:
Any chance you'd be willing to expand them further to include:
- Suffixes: eol, eor, eody, o, es, ees, os, eos
Sam G > 10-01-2017, 05:34 PM
(10-01-2017, 05:08 PM)Psillycyber Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's not just that all vords are similar to all other vords (which perhaps pinyin can match). It is that vord similarity has spacial patterns on the pages of the VMS. If you took a random Mandarin text written in pinyin and applied the spatial test, would you really see a similar pattern to the VMS?
Quote:Also, isn't one reason that pinyin words are spelled similarly to other pinyin words the fact that pinyin is not a native script for Mandarin, and thus similar but distinct sounds get lumped together under the romanization of the script?
Quote:Also, do we want to entertain the possibility that the VMS is written in Mandarin? I mean, I guess anything is possible at this point, but in any case Mandarin would only be a relevant comparison if you think that the VMS could be written in Mandarin.