VViews > 08-01-2017, 11:20 AM
(07-01-2017, 06:42 PM)Sam G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There's 10 total beginning with q. 4 of these are from the word column on 66r which are not really "labels" at all. There are only two on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (your transcription seems to be in error), and I suspect that these are not labels either but complete lines of text that have been broken up by the fluid streams. I also think the occurrence of qkol on f89r1 is probably a y connected with a ligature, but even if we want to allow 6 (or even 10) labels containing q that's obviously much rarer than in the main body of the text. And just look at how many of the labels start with o. Obviously that didn't occur by random chance and therefore needs to be explained somehow.
Sam G > 08-01-2017, 02:11 PM
(07-01-2017, 08:55 PM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Your pattern for japanese is not like the network of similar words for the VMS. I didn't know for a grammatical network connecting all words used in a language and I didn't know of a natural language where similar words occur with similar frequencies.
Torsten > 08-01-2017, 03:24 PM
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The basic pattern is still similar and I think it's an indication that we're looking at a similar phenomenon. I don't disagree that the VMS text is atypical in that a very large fraction of words appear to be compounds of basic elements, but I also don't see any real reason to think that there couldn't be a natural language that works like this.
Sam G > 08-01-2017, 03:54 PM
(08-01-2017, 03:24 PM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:Sam G Wrote:
The basic pattern is still similar and I think it's an indication that we're looking at a similar phenomenon. I don't disagree that the VMS text is atypical in that a very large fraction of words appear to be compounds of basic elements, but I also don't see any real reason to think that there couldn't be a natural language that works like this.
Which kind of similar phenomenon? Did you really think that all this similar words are only different grammatical forms for a single word?
Quote:The purpose for a natural language is to transport information. For this purpose it is important to prevent misunderstandings. It is very hard to distinguish between different pieces of information if everything looks alike. The intention for the system in the VMS was obviously not to make it easy to transport information. Therefore it did not match to human language in one of its main aspects.
stellar > 08-01-2017, 04:15 PM
Torsten > 08-01-2017, 04:22 PM
Quote:Sam G Wrote:
Anyway, I find these tables quite interesting and useful. Any chance you'd be willing to expand them further to include:
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Also a table of words beginning with "sh" corresponding to the table containing "ch"
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What percentage of words would we have covered with all of those?
stellar > 08-01-2017, 05:29 PM
Quote:The average length of a glyph group is higher in pages written in Currier B. For paragraphs on pages written in Currier A the average word length is 4.9, whereas for pages in Currier B it is 5.2. As graph 18 shows, this is a result of the circumstance that groups containing six or seven glyphs are more frequent in Currier B.I believe I can answer this phenomenon. This relates to the progression of the English Language during the 15th Century and the VMS may have been written over a long period of years. I believe it was one scribe and the addition as in glyph's were where numbers changed for words. These stats are from Chaucer.
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stellar > 08-01-2017, 05:43 PM
stellar > 08-01-2017, 05:55 PM
Quote:1 Lack of corrections One important observation for the VMS is the lack of corrections [see Reddy: p. 79]. Did the scribe not make any mistakes?
One feature of the script used for the VMS is that in many cases one additional quill stroke is enough to change a glyph into another one. For instance, it would easily be possible to change 1 into 2 or c into s.
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stellar > 08-01-2017, 06:02 PM
Quote:It is to be expected that the scribe would run out of space at the end of a line. Therefore it is remarkable that the end of the lines nearly always fit into the available space. In addition, on many pages the text is placed around illustrations (see for instance figure 1 on p. 1). In such cases, the available space was also limited. Therefore it would be no surprise if sometimes the last glyphs in a line were squeezed into the available space. However, there are no such crowded places in the VMS. This behavior was described by Currier in 1976 as follows:For me and all of you this should be obvious:
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