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• RE: [split] Scepter/ Fleur de Lys/ Blue Sweater Man

  Koen G > 23-03-2017, 01:55 PM

  (23-03-2017, 01:24 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Images of Venus (the zodiac Venus, who could be either male or female) often carried grain, flowers, and three-pointed things that look like scepters or plants and which are quite variable.

  
  Certainly, but I think this type is present on another page of the manuscript and it looks different - more in line with the three-pronged-vegetation:
  
  
  
  Once you really dig into this type of iconography, however, you soon realize that there was a large amount of syncreticism between (young) female goddesses and their attributes. Persephone, Venus, Isis... But the grain is mostly a Demeter/Persephone attribute, which is also where the constellation Virgo gets it from.
  
  Thing is that blue sweater man is holding what appears to be a stylized lily or lotus, but it is much less rigid than the standard examples, like the ones mentioned by Davidsch.
  
  

• RE: [split] Scepter/ Fleur de Lys/ Blue Sweater Man

  Davidsch > 23-03-2017, 04:17 PM

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• RE: [split] Scepter/ Fleur de Lys/ Blue Sweater Man

  Koen G > 13-04-2017, 08:16 PM

  In support of the figure's being an emblem for (north-)east:
  
     

• RE: [split] Scepter/ Fleur de Lys/ Blue Sweater Man

  bi3mw > 14-04-2017, 10:06 PM

  (23-03-2017, 04:17 PM)Davidsch Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  
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  Mercurius holds plants called Immolum (moly) in his hands. It is probably Galanthus. Here is a more conventional illustration:
  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(Herbarium), Pseudo-Apuleius, 12th century
  
  The plant can also be seen individually on the lower left. Comparatively an older version:
  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(Herbarium), Pseudo-Apuleius, 900-1000
  
  In the illustrations the flowers are always clearly visible. This speaks against a representation in the VMS.
  
  
  Edit: In my opinion this could be VMS - homegrown ( You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ).
  
  

• RE: [split] Scepter/ Fleur de Lys/ Blue Sweater Man

  -JKP- > 05-10-2017, 08:31 PM

  I don't have time during the work day to read the text to see what this diagram represents, but thought I would post it for those who are interested in the placement of four men around a circle:
  
  
  
  
  Huntington EL26A3

• RE: [split] Scepter/ Fleur de Lys/ Blue Sweater Man

  Koen G > 05-10-2017, 09:43 PM

  It's apparently about "men and beasts on the circumference of the Earth". Still it's remarkable that the men are depicted four in number and from the waist up. This must have been some visual trope.
  
  
  (By the way, this manuscript also has a diagram about "Dropping stones through the center of the Earth.")
  
  

• RE: [split] Scepter/ Fleur de Lys/ Blue Sweater Man

  Koen G > 12-02-2018, 12:00 AM

  When you don't know which flower to pick for your Voynich portrait..
  
  
  
  
  From the Rutland Psalter (c1260), British Library Add MS 62925. f 2v
  
  Interestingly, this manuscript has been mentioned on the forum once before, about a different guy on the same VM roundel: see bi3mw's post here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  
  

• RE: [split] Scepter/ Fleur de Lys/ Blue Sweater Man

  Morten St. George > 12-02-2018, 11:36 PM

  (12-02-2018, 12:00 AM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.When you don't know which flower to pick for your Voynich portrait..
  
  
  
  
  From the Rutland Psalter (c1260), British Library Add MS 62925. f 2v
  
  Interestingly, this manuscript has been mentioned on the forum once before, about a different guy on the same VM roundel: see bi3mw's post here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  
  

  
  Per the Morten St. George Theory, the leading decoder of the VMS in the 16th century was so fascinated with the VMS plants that he decided to help finance and coauthor a botany book. Called the Herball or Generall Historie of Plantes (1597), this book remains to this day the largest encyclopedia of plants ever published in the English language.
  
  Our decoder took the liberty to insert, on the title page of his book, a portrait of himself holding plants in each hand and standing upon a pedestal.  This here is his pedestal:
  
  
  
  I was attracted to the iconography because the shaft of the 4 attaches itself to the o below, reminding me of the 4o glyph of the VMS, which might be the most prominent of all the glyphs since so many words begin with 4o.
  
  The icons are set into a shield in the form of a fleur de lys depicted upside down. So, where are we to find the fleur de lys?
  
  One logical approach would be to add up all the icons. 4 + I (1) the central shaft + L (50) + O (zero) + R (Reverse?) + X (10) + X (10 + X (10).
  
  Per my calculations, therefore, we should expect to find the fleur de lys on Page 85 Reverse.
  
  In the VMS, after Page 85 and before Page 86, we find the following:
  
  
  
  Conclusion: The VMS page numbers were added into the manuscript prior to the year 1597.

• RE: [split] Scepter/ Fleur de Lys/ Blue Sweater Man

  -JKP- > 13-02-2018, 12:02 AM

  You left out the "N" between the 4 and the L.

• RE: [split] Scepter/ Fleur de Lys/ Blue Sweater Man

  Morten St. George > 13-02-2018, 05:35 AM

  (13-02-2018, 12:02 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You left out the "N" between the 4 and the L.

  
  I disagree on the N. I think the line from the top of the 4 to the bottom of the L crosses the crossbar to form an X. X can refer to the Xth Centurie or draw our attention to XL. If XL equals 40, what does 4L equal? Answer: 46 or XLVI.
  
  I also ignored the apostrophe (not a comma) to the right of the R. The apostrophe rises from the dead and puts itself just to right of the top of the L above. The OR follows, giving us L' OR.
  
  This is quatrain X-46, a false prophecy meant to serve as a position marker:
  
  
  
  You'll find the L' OR in the middle of the first line.
  
  Recall the I shaft down the middle which unites the 4 with the XXX at the bottom. This I is found at the end of XLVI so, logically, therefore, the 4 and XXX can substitute for it.
  
  XLV + 4 + XXX (3 x 10) equals LXXIX.
  
  And here is quatrain X-79, Merlin's "fleur de lys" Prophecy:
  
  
  You'll find the fluer de lys at the end of the third line. 
  
  According to Merlin's insinuations and associations, the fleur de lys derives from the iris (the state flower of somentree), which grew in a place called Memphis, capital city of a country called Egypt. I have been studying Merlin's writings for more than thirty years and have never found him to be wrong about anything: the fleur de lys comes from Egypt, period.
  
  Simultaneously pointing to both VMS and Merlin, the decoder's pedestal becomes one more confirmation that the VMS recipes were the source of Merlin's prophecies.
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