Lament from the Sea, New Method! f2r

[bunny]

Bunny, the sentence "Italy hast fame" is ungrammatical because Italy, no matter the perceived gender, is third person. The verb form hast demands a second person, and in onder to express a second person you absolutely need the word "you", or "thou" in this case.

Note that in your example sentences, which are grammatical, the pronouns "tu" and "thou" are present. You seem to argue that "Italy, thou hast fame" is a correct shortened sentence, but even for those there are certain restrictions. For example, you can say:

"Brushed my teeth; went to store, slept, woke up." 

Those sentences are You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., but you cannot just do that at random. You cannot omit the second person pronoun, that's just ungrammatical in every possible way.

The example was an extended one to clarify what I was saying. Shortened form below.

                                                        "Italia hai fama"

The thrust was to clarify genders given to countries demonstrate the same sense of intimacy and reference as to a person, as "you" rather than "it".  Yes, in a way the same as your brushed teeth example, a compact, information containing form not unlike Haiku.  Understand that I'm not saying this translation is THE ONE correct translation for that text as I don't think a single translation is the solution, rather it is a piece of a layered puzzle in a given language key, of which there are many. 

Now to really peek at the cat in the box (and please observe this is MY interpretation, so blame me not Stellar for this following interpretation). Stellar's translation points to the VM being moved to the Vatican, in Rome, in 1903, implying Voynich's 1912 Italian castle story has more holes than Swiss cheese, as suspected.  While it may be that Voynich obtained the manuscript in 1912, he had dealings in Florence since 1908 if not earlier, and the 1912 date is not watertight.  He also may have got it directly from the Vatican (order and city), and not the suspected Villa Mondragone from the Jesuits in secret before it entered the Vatican library.  The crux being the translation suggests it was relocated (and not just part of a future slow moving purchase of manuscripts) in Italy in 1903 and the Vatican was the purchaser and told physical custody of it in 1903 in Vatican city.

This of course is not found in any resource so it cannot be confirmed, but is something I will follow up if ever possible.  Bear in mind this data is from a speculated ungrammatical, elliptical, wrong? translation of the Voynich text.  It would be interesting to see if it ever turns out to be correct data.

Bunny