03-10-2026, 01:13 AM
(This post was last modified: 03-10-2026, 01:14 AM by Jorge_Stolfi.)
(02-10-2026, 11:11 PM)Stefan Wirtz_2 wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is there any list or summation of tries to find "L"?I was reading the Voynich mailing list regularly for some 5 years, IIRC. Saw lots of posts of the type "I found that it is in a language L, here is a translation of the first N pages". It seems that the rain has not abated in the 20 years I was away from the field.
Have you seen Tavie's list of claimed solutions?
Quote:First block of assumptions is that all speakers of European languages had sufficient access to VMS material, and the interest to experiment with that riddleMaybe that was the limiting factor until ~1998 or so. But then the punchcard transcription that had been prepared by the NSA group in ~1945 was made available through the Internet by Jim Reeds, and Rene and Gabriel then posted the first of several transcriptions from the poor scans that were available back then. From that point on, any would-be codebreaker with a computer and a connection to the internet was about as well equipped as anyone else at that time, or even today. The mutispectral and hi-res images provided practically no additional information that was relevant to the decipherment.
Quote:I am sure that ~8-9 billion people on this earth right in this moment do not know or care anyhow about the VMS. Percentage of non-interest among Europeans will reach 99%.Back in the 1990s there were many articles on major popular and scientific magazines about the VMS. I recall WeltWoche in Switzerland, New Scientist in the UK, Scientific American, just citing the ones I subscribed or had some involvement with. My faithful lalalmo says that Time Magazine, Newsweek, The Times, and Der Spiegel (and surely many more) had articles about it. Not only surveys, but also reports on several "solutions", like Rugg's Grille method. Perhaps the media today is no longer interested, but I would bet that at least ~5% of Europeans know about it.
Of course the people who get interested enough to try their hand are nowhere near that percentage. But even 0.1% of the Europeans is 750'000 people...
Quote:don't need the "" [on European]
I use quotes in "European" because I include Arabic and Hebrew in that term.
Quote:The second block of assumptions is that all speakers of European languages do have a clear idea of the ~1420s versions of their languages, are even present at sufficient numbers today (for example the last Livonian speaker, an old lady, died in 2013 and her language is extinct since then),
While some languages have changed a lot since the ~1420s, most of them would still be recognized today by modern speakers. And anyone who decides to try deciphering the VMS assuming language L would quickly learn the most important changes. Even extinct languages like Livonian survive in linguistics books and old books and other documents.
Language change is in fact more a boost than an obstacle for amateur Voynichlogists, because it lets them dismiss any failures of their "decipherment" as being due to unrecorded local dialectal variation in that remote period.
Or even claim that the language is a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. with extremely different grammars and vocabularies. "The verb is in the wrong place for a Germanic language? No problem, because the subjunctive was inherited from Croatian. The subject seems to be in the wrong case? No, it is just inflected as in Ligurian..."
Quote:So, were to look for all Europeans that tried to crack it?
You can ask your lalamo whether there have been any attempts do decipher the VMS assuming it is in [insert language here]. And of course check the answer for hallucinations.
(Mine says that there were attempts for Georgian and Armenian. But I did not check.)
But indeed interest in the VMS and attempts to decipher it seem to quickly decrease once you leave the sphere of European cultural influence. Surely because of the general conviction, stated as a fact, that it must be in some "European" language. I have not seen any interest from China or Japan.
I even once contacted by mail someone from the Chinese Academy of Sciences asking whether he saw anything that suggested Chinese concepts in the VMS. He answered basically that the illustrations looked European not Chinese, and that was it.
All the best, --stolfi

