Voynichese is a numeric cipher?
Encrypted abbreviations or parts of words 

@JoJo_Jost said that if the cipher alphabet includes abbreviations like -us, deciphering becomes difficult:
(12-07-2026, 09:34 AM)JoJo_Jost wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.7. two cipher tables—one with letters and the other with abbreviations. (which, however, makes decryption nearly impossible).
Let’s take the word from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. as an example: aralarar
   
First, the letters are almost in order, except for the first ar. It comes first, even though it seems like it should be placed together with the other ar at the end of the word.repeated. 
Secondly. If we break the word down into bigrams, we’ll see that the word consists of 4 letters, 3 of which are repeated. It looks strange.
It can be assumed that the last arar is a separate number, and that is why it stands apart from ar. Then the word will consist of three letters. The word aer comes to mind — interestingly, the letters are arranged in ascending order in the alphabet. In the Voynichese word, they also seem to be arranged in ascending order, from the small ar to the large arar. But then it’s unclear why the letters suddenly went in ascending order if they should be in descending order. And this logic doesn’t change anything — if arar is greater than ar, ar should come behind arar, and in any case, it will be alararar... 
... But there is another explanation! Returning to my idea that the same symbols can encode different information, or may not encode it at all in some cases, we can assume that the first ar encodes something different from the final ar. This could be an example of an encrypted abbreviation, as in the word “continuus” = “9tinu9”, where the same “9” symbols represent different morphemes located in different places in the word. This explains why it stands alone — it may belong to a different alphabet, or the author simply wanted to make our work easier by allowing us to distinguish between the letters and abbreviations in the encrypted word  Big Grin

Of course, this word may have other interpretations, and all the ar's may be equal to each other, but the author simply wanted to put one ar at the beginning, as he didn’t want to see ararar; however, in this interpretation, it may tell us a little about the statistical counteraction by this cipher. 
@oshfdk expressed doubt that we can't distinguish nulls from real symbols*. Here is an excellent illustration of the fact that at present it is difficult to distinguish a null from a real symbol: ordinary frequency analysis will tell you nothing, because... you will simply count the number of all ar.

*Besides the fact that it sounds crazy, the very essence of a cipher with nulls is to blur the statistics of the symbols. He was talking about some kind of difference in the distribution between groups of symbols, but... what is this difference? For example, the statistics for the letter “e” in English differ from those for other letters. So, does that mean it doesn’t mean anything?

By the way, this example can also demonstrate that order is present both in words and in strings, as shown in the example in the following image, where before the symbol EVA s (the предполагаемое beginning of a new line) there is a beautiful series "lol kar shr r ol ol". In particular, we see the “reduction” of ar-r-r and lol-ol-ol.


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Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by ololololo - 04-06-2026, 12:10 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by RobGea - 04-06-2026, 05:57 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by RobGea - 05-06-2026, 11:53 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by JoeyB - 08-06-2026, 11:24 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by DG97EEB - 09-06-2026, 11:10 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by Koen G - 10-06-2026, 09:56 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by Koen G - 10-06-2026, 07:38 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by eggyk - 17-06-2026, 06:47 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 20-06-2026, 10:51 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 21-06-2026, 08:34 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 21-06-2026, 09:23 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 23-06-2026, 11:55 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 24-06-2026, 11:03 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 24-06-2026, 01:04 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 24-06-2026, 09:50 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 26-06-2026, 12:02 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 19-07-2026, 12:29 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 19-07-2026, 09:03 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 19-07-2026, 11:51 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by JoeyB - 19-07-2026, 03:02 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 19-07-2026, 03:42 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 19-07-2026, 04:31 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by JoeyB - 19-07-2026, 03:58 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by JoeyB - 19-07-2026, 04:47 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 19-07-2026, 05:57 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 19-07-2026, 10:23 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 20-07-2026, 07:59 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 20-07-2026, 01:32 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by JoeyB - 20-07-2026, 03:38 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 20-07-2026, 03:47 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by JoeyB - 20-07-2026, 04:08 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 20-07-2026, 07:24 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 22-07-2026, 03:56 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 22-07-2026, 07:25 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 22-07-2026, 09:16 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 23-07-2026, 08:58 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 29-07-2026, 09:45 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 30-07-2026, 08:11 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 30-07-2026, 10:29 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 30-07-2026, 11:33 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 30-07-2026, 01:15 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 30-07-2026, 08:40 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 30-07-2026, 09:01 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 30-07-2026, 10:25 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 31-07-2026, 09:04 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 31-07-2026, 10:13 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 31-07-2026, 11:30 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 31-07-2026, 12:02 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 31-07-2026, 11:10 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 31-07-2026, 04:00 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 31-07-2026, 07:23 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by bi3mw - 08-08-2026, 10:39 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by bi3mw - 09-08-2026, 11:46 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by ololololo - 25-08-2026, 07:26 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by Mauro - 01-10-2026, 02:31 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by Oscroft - 30-09-2026, 05:20 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by tavie - 03-10-2026, 01:15 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by nablator - 03-10-2026, 10:26 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by Linda - 04-10-2026, 01:17 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by nablator - 04-10-2026, 01:41 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by Linda - 05-10-2026, 06:22 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by eggyk - 05-10-2026, 10:03 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by eggyk - 05-10-2026, 12:33 PM

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