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f116v is a decryption attempt?
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1). By eliminating ar = m and ch = ich, we are left with iton, which must correspond to e, d, and p.
But p-ed is only three (or even two!) letters, while iton is four. Moreover, perhaps p is not a letter at all!
Consider the options:
1). P-ed, e = i. It turns out pICHIdM. Positions remain for ton. One of the letters should mean t (to), the other — on. Why on? Well, perhaps the decryption principle included substituting not only letters but also syllables.
I can substitute: TOICHINM, p = TO, or TICHIONM, p = T.
The first option seems more concise, as all the encrypted syllables are grouped at the beginning of the word, which sets them apart in the anagram.
2). p-e-d, e = i. It’s as simple as can be p = t, d = on (roughly speaking).
3). ed. Well, this is where it gets tricky. We end up with the fact that the encrypted word consists of three letters/syllables — ch, ed, and ar. char together give us mich, from which we deduce that ed = iton/ton. Of course, ton is also possible, but then it would be michton.
If d were equal to something, the author would have deciphered them both in miltod and in palden.

oladabad = qokaiin qotaiin d. In vord, qo is repeated twice; in oladabas, there is no suitable repetition, so qo is combined with the adjacent gallows.
If D and B: Daiin Baiin. That left ola and two a's. One might assume that these two aiin are a combination of different symbols, one of which is ola, and the other = a a. Well, perhaps ai = ola, i = n = a. But this... strange.
If DA and BA: DAaiin BAaiin. It’s still ola, but there are two more aiin in the vords. Then it should be DAOLA BAOLA. It’s unclear where the second one went.
It might be that one qok = D, and qot = BA. Then. for example, there will be Daiin BAaiin. But then again, the same aiin are different symbols — ol and a (or, in general, o, l, and a).

milto - l ral cheo. If ra = m, and the first l is cut off (because of it, there’s an inequality in the number of letters. Let’s assume it’s a special symbol, like a placeholder). ch-e-o will remain, and they must correspond to i-l-t-o. In ilto, some two letters must be combined into a syllable. Let’s assume it’s il to balance the number of characters. Then it turns out that ch = “il.” Why ch? Because it’s a likely candidate for a syllable Smile


2). In the comparison, there is something similar to LAAFU. In the sense that the meaning of the symbol changes depending on its position.
In the word pchedar, ch = ich, but there is the word olcheear. ar = m, which means it’s marix/morix. If you take the two e’s as two separate letters, it turns out that the number of letters is equal. ol-ch-e-e-ar (5) = m-a/o-r-i-x (5). But here’s the problem — ch clearly doesn’t mean “ich”. Moreover, in marix/morix, no letter is repeated.
If ee is a syllable, then it could be ar or ix. Let’s assume it’s “ix” (it’s not particularly important right now):
olchIXM - MolchIX
Here, ch will already represent a single letter — a or r — but no longer a syllable.

3). Based on this, we can assume that olkeechy = pbrey. ch = r, and the nearby ee affects ch. 
But the nearby word palden is suspicious. The words palsen and pbrey share one common letter — p. It corresponds to ol, since there are two repeating letters in the text: olkeechy or char cheeol...
So, it turns out that olkeechy = PkeeRy, and cheeol = ReeP... But where is palden? In the previous example, the combination ch(ee) yielded either A or R. If ch(ee) = a, then cheeol = AeeP. It's almost palden!
It turns out that ch(ee) = a. Then olcheear = PAeeM, but... There is not a single letter p in the second line. Then ol = something else...
Perhaps the placement of ee matters. So, ch(ee) = a, while (ee)ch or (kee)ch has a different meaning...

Total: The combination ar (ra) in all cases corresponded to m. The symbol ch seems to be located depending on the nearby E. For example., ch = ICH, ch(e) = IL, ch(ee) = R/A.
One could say that this theory is nonsense if the same ch, standing next to different symbols, would yield different results. But we have very suspicious e’s, which in the text often gravitate towards ch. Moreover, there is a dependency — it only changes its meaning next to e*. With ar = m, it is always ich.
It turns out that the author imagined the cipher as follows:
1). The cipher is based on substituting letters and syllables using a limited alphabet, where a single symbol can have several meanings. That is, it’s a kind of polyphonic cipher**.

2). There are certain dependencies between the symbols, which likely serve to make identification easier (given that the alphabet includes letters and syllables, this wouldn’t hurt). But the thing is, the cipher doesn’t have any special nulls or modification elements, and it seems that in the examples with ch(ee), ee is also some kind of letter. However, it’s unclear whether the meaning of a single symbol changes, or whether a combination of certain symbols gives rise to a new meaning. But the first option is more logical than the second...

3). The logic behind Roman numerals is no longer as obvious as I would like it to be...

4). First, what seems interesting is that, taken together, such a cipher could theoretically produce low entropy and possibly other parameters of the Voynichese. The limited nature of the alphabet and the relationships between the symbols hint at this.
Secondly, the inconsistencies can be explained not just by assumptions, but by examples from the text. The range of values for ch can be explained by the adjacent ee; they appear in all cases of inconsistencies. The unclear ol also has a dependency — in olkeechy = pbrey? it comes before k, and in olcheear — before ch. In cheeol, it is at the very end, but in theory it also gives p. The result is a line of dependencies: ch affects the initial ol, transforming it from p into something else, and in other cases it follows the rules. Perhaps ee before ch “nullifies” its effect on ol.
Although, maybe I’m just imagining all of this… Nevertheless, there would be more doubt if, for example, one word gave different meanings, and two identical symbols gave different correspondences. Moreover, the Voynichese clearly has some affinity for the principle of positional arrangement and the interconnection of symbols...

Well, let’s not forget that this might be an erroneous decryption of one ancient miracle solver that has impressed many participants of this forum Big Grin

*Survivorship bias is possible. There are no other combinations where such problems would occur with ch.
**This refers to a cipher where a single symbol from the cipher alphabet corresponds to several plaintext symbols. The opposite of an homophone, where several cipher symbols can correspond to a single plaintext symbol. I’m not sure if I used this term correctly. If not, I’m sorry…
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f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 12-07-2026, 08:38 AM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 13-07-2026, 07:33 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 12-07-2026, 03:34 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 12-07-2026, 03:56 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 13-07-2026, 06:20 AM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by Bernd - 13-07-2026, 11:46 AM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 13-07-2026, 05:04 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 14-07-2026, 08:07 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 20-07-2026, 09:27 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 21-07-2026, 04:01 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 21-07-2026, 04:40 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 27-07-2026, 11:55 AM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by nablator - 27-07-2026, 01:06 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by oshfdk - 27-07-2026, 01:32 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by nablator - 27-07-2026, 03:33 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by monisusa - 03-08-2026, 08:22 AM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 27-07-2026, 01:40 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 28-07-2026, 04:03 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by oshfdk - 28-07-2026, 10:47 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by oshfdk - 29-07-2026, 09:46 AM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by Carnby - 28-07-2026, 05:31 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 28-07-2026, 07:40 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 29-07-2026, 11:49 AM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by LiviuV - 29-07-2026, 10:47 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by oshfdk - 29-07-2026, 11:42 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by LiviuV - 30-07-2026, 09:49 AM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 01-08-2026, 12:02 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 01-08-2026, 07:31 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by JoeyB - 01-08-2026, 07:41 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 01-08-2026, 11:59 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by JoJo_Jost - 02-08-2026, 06:36 AM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by Mauro - 02-08-2026, 11:48 AM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by monisusa - 02-08-2026, 02:00 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 02-08-2026, 02:18 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by JoJo_Jost - 03-08-2026, 08:24 AM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 03-08-2026, 08:33 AM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 03-08-2026, 08:39 AM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by JoJo_Jost - 03-08-2026, 09:06 AM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 03-08-2026, 09:20 AM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by JoeyB - 03-08-2026, 04:56 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by bi3mw - 03-08-2026, 05:16 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by Koen G - 03-08-2026, 05:37 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by JoJo_Jost - 03-08-2026, 06:24 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by JoeyB - 04-08-2026, 03:39 AM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by oshfdk - 04-08-2026, 12:24 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by oshfdk - 04-08-2026, 06:20 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 04-08-2026, 08:00 AM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by nablator - 04-08-2026, 10:06 AM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 07-08-2026, 04:42 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 18-08-2026, 10:38 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 19-08-2026, 05:02 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 19-08-2026, 07:05 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by Bernd - 19-08-2026, 07:26 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 21-08-2026, 10:29 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by DG97EEB - 23-09-2026, 09:37 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by DG97EEB - 24-09-2026, 12:11 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by ololololo - 24-09-2026, 12:21 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by Koen G - 24-09-2026, 03:04 PM
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt? - by JoJo_Jost - 25-09-2026, 05:06 AM

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