Works containing the degrees of each Zodiac Sign
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(16-08-2026, 05:37 PM)MarcoP wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Another related tradition which might include illustrations of the individual signs is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. Several versions of the man with a spear and the elephant rider appear among the first images for Scorpio. In this text, the origin of the images as fragments of constellations is clearer. The images are not clearly numbered and separated from each other, so I am not sure that each sign includes the 30 degrees (plus, likely, the 3 decans).

Really interesting. By complete chance, I was adding Bodleian Library MS. Canon. Misc. 554, and the description said it was a partial copy of the frescoes at the The Palazzo della Ragione in Padua. 

On You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., there is a video where they actually go into detail explicitly about this topic, mentioning that the frescoes in the church seem to be linked to 3 treatises. Amazingly, they also link Reg.lat.1283 to the 1488 edition of "Astrolabium planum in tabulis ascendens". The video goes on to explain at least 1 clear correspondance between both works, namely that the 20th degree of taurus for each is 2 fighting dogs. 

But further than that, it turns out these works are almost certainly depicting the exact same sequence of characters. Almost every single degree of taurus matches in both works, with some non-obvious details persisting in both in certain places. For example, note that the 17th degree even has the rope wrapped around the torso of the bull. I aligned them in paint to make the image below:

   

This -in my opinion- clearly answers whether the two works are displaying the same thing: they are. It's clear that underlying astrology here is the same, and the characters associated with these degrees are also generally the same in most cases. This is opposed to the same concept of 30 degrees being developed seperately at different times. 

This does then mean that this Astrology was known and depicted in Italy during the supposed time period when the VMS was created. So it's certainly a work that could plausibly be depicted within the VMS, or at least a work that inspired it in some way. 

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The video also mentions a third manuscript from the 13th century: 
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Italy, Sicily, Palermo
1220-1240AD (From Persee, although Bnf states 14th century?)

I believe that this manuscript contains the same(?) images as you posted, but a little more ordered. Perhaps it is useful in some way.
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RE: Works containing the degrees of each Zodiac Sign - by eggyk - 18-08-2026, 03:51 PM

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