Aanother statistical take on Voynichese
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(30-06-2026, 02:06 PM)JoeyB wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Nice, thanks for sharing all of that esp. the githib repo. FWIW, when I have played with Claude in past I watched it talk itself out of the markov-4 story when I pressed it with two things: first, it basically broke wqhen I forced it to adversarially explain Tavie's vertical impact effect. That thread is active again now but its basically that the first glyph of a line is conditioned on the first glyph of the line above it and it avoids repeating that glyph (and then there's directed transitions right, o->q, y->o, etc). But the left to right character chain Claude is proposing has no page in it, the models I played with didnt have a variable for "look at the line above" and it was only checking reading order. Tavie's work and the threads on this were gold for beating up the linear model.

Second thing I had trouble with was figuring out if the model was really finding coupling or was just memorizing. Claude got very excited that it had reproduced coupling early but then it would turn out it was just handing the samples back, IIRC the threads on generators and held-out vocabulary were super helpful in pressing this point.

Good luck!

No probs, I've used claude too for the statistical code, however I was actually trying to find just about any correlation between text and the images. Unfortunately  there was nothing, as in completely absolutely nothing. So based on that either the text is just jibberish or perhaps there's something we don't understand.

Bit disappointing, however a story about middle ages merchant producing a fake book that keeps eluding people 500 years later is quite a story too. 

It's just about finding a simplest plausible method at this point. So unless someone can prove it could NOT have been created that way I'll personally treat that as demystified.
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RE: Aanother statistical take on Voynichese - by kostrubaty - 30-06-2026, 06:56 PM

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