Voynichese is a numeric cipher?
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(07-06-2026, 10:15 PM)Bluetoes101 wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thanks! 

A fun thing you can do with it also is to add nonsense to the ends of lines
A Bacon cipher also does this (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
You just don't complete a valid 3 letter string, oiin ody y

On word length / information loss, it doesn't matter as the person deciphering would just count up to 3 valid letters and look up the number ref. A solid line with no spaces is as meaningful as anything else. There's quite a few nice points about a Bacon-like cipher idea that correlate with what we see in the text imo. Also a lot of problems..

On a side note, the Friedman's were big fans of the Bacon cipher (and also put some considerable effort into the VMS text) on their headstone they have a Bacon cipher that wasn't noticed for quite some time. It shows how you can adapt these sorts of ideas. It was added by Elizabeth who passed after William.  



Different fonts are used in the pattern 21211 11212 11212 r(incomplete string at the end)
In the Bacon cipher this is "WFF" - William F Friedman.
There is reason to believe that ody may be a garbage element in the manuscript itself. Examples include the words dainod and qotomody, where the combination of letters follows the letters n and m, which are only found at the end of the word.
I also heard from Nick Pelling that the f and p symbols may be garbage symbols in some way (well, as I understand it, Pelling believed that the gibbets were markers for "alphabets" or tables, and that f and p were false markers).
One of his arguments is that these symbols may not have been part of the original cipher alphabet (I don't think I can find this article on his website right now, so I'm just recalling it).
In general, the symbols k (10845) and t (6872) are statistically more common than f (499) and p (1620).
Also, the symbols f and p do not have much "connection" with other stable combinations of symbols, unlike k and t (there are combinations such as kedy, tedy, okeody, oteody, okeor, oteor, okear, otear, etc., but no combinations such as pedy, fedy, peody, feody). Most often they appear close to combinations with one syllable or with another word (Pshy, opchey, pchocthy)
It is worth noting that their role often seems to be service-related (they most often appear at the beginning of a paragraph), a striking example being the botanical section. What is interesting - quite often, if we remove the gallows from the supposed name of the plant, it turns into a common Voynich word: paiin, kshody, fchodaiin, pchodar, pchey. This happens sometimes with k and t: tarar, kcheodaiin.
However, they are quite often used in the astro-, cosmo- and zodiacal sections, so I believe that f and p are most likely non-numeric signs that change the meaning of a word or provide a hint for the decipherer. But I'm not sure...
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Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by ololololo - 04-06-2026, 12:10 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by RobGea - 04-06-2026, 05:57 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by RobGea - 05-06-2026, 11:53 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by ololololo - 08-06-2026, 09:34 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by JoeyB - 08-06-2026, 11:24 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by DG97EEB - 09-06-2026, 11:10 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by Koen G - 10-06-2026, 09:56 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by Koen G - 10-06-2026, 07:38 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by eggyk - 17-06-2026, 06:47 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 20-06-2026, 10:51 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 21-06-2026, 08:34 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 21-06-2026, 09:23 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 23-06-2026, 11:55 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 24-06-2026, 11:03 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 24-06-2026, 01:04 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 24-06-2026, 09:50 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 26-06-2026, 12:02 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 19-07-2026, 12:29 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 19-07-2026, 09:03 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 19-07-2026, 11:51 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by JoeyB - 19-07-2026, 03:02 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 19-07-2026, 03:42 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 19-07-2026, 04:31 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by JoeyB - 19-07-2026, 03:58 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by JoeyB - 19-07-2026, 04:47 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 19-07-2026, 05:57 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 19-07-2026, 10:23 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 20-07-2026, 07:59 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 20-07-2026, 01:32 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by JoeyB - 20-07-2026, 03:38 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 20-07-2026, 03:47 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by JoeyB - 20-07-2026, 04:08 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 20-07-2026, 07:24 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 22-07-2026, 03:56 PM
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RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 23-07-2026, 08:58 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 29-07-2026, 09:45 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 30-07-2026, 08:11 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 30-07-2026, 10:29 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 30-07-2026, 11:33 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 30-07-2026, 01:15 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 30-07-2026, 08:40 PM
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RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by oshfdk - 31-07-2026, 09:04 AM
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RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by bi3mw - 08-08-2026, 10:39 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by bi3mw - 09-08-2026, 11:46 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by Mauro - 01-10-2026, 02:31 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by Oscroft - 30-09-2026, 05:20 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by tavie - 03-10-2026, 01:15 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by nablator - 03-10-2026, 10:26 PM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by Linda - 04-10-2026, 01:17 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by nablator - 04-10-2026, 01:41 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by Linda - 05-10-2026, 06:22 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by eggyk - 05-10-2026, 10:03 AM
RE: Voynichese is a numeric cipher? - by eggyk - 05-10-2026, 12:33 PM

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