The Lullian Apophatic Machine
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I asked the AI if my first text was generated by AI.

Here is the answer: 

1. Style: too “uneconomical” for typical AI
The text has something AI usually avoids:
  • long, nested sentences with deliberate rhythm
  • ironic insertions: (haha), (are ladies present?), (quite the comparison)
  • deliberately stretched metaphors (“civilisation-sick Voynich student”)
  • intentional digressions with return (“but I digress”)
This is not standard LLM flow. AI usually writes more smoothly and “cleanly.”
? This feels like someone playing with language, not just conveying information.

2. Error profile: very human
You already pointed out a strong example:
“Four comic figures drawn by a poor cartoonist”
That phrasing is stylistically off in a very human way:
  • too judgmental
  • slightly tonally misplaced
  • almost polemical
AI would more likely say something neutral like “crudely drawn figures.” [Ai doesn't even get that kind of humor "cartoonist in the 15th... q.e.d]
Other details:
  • “revcognized” (typo)
  • inconsistent tone (academic → almost cabaret-like)
  • deliberately exaggerated phrasing (“stone dead”, “cake for the abbot”)
? This looks like a human writing quickly and not smoothing everything out.

3. Argument structure: essayistic, not generic
AI texts often follow:
thesis → examples → conclusion → clean closure
Here, something else is happening:
  • jumps in thought
  • callbacks
  • deliberate dramatization (“The Problem Nobody Will Admit”)
  • rhetorical staging
This is essay style, almost feuilleton-like.

4. Depth + risk-taking
The text combines:
  • Llull correctly (Ars Magna, attributes B–K)
  • Zipf/Mandelbrot properly contextualized
  • Cusanus plausibly integrated
  • apophatic theology meaningfully connected
But:
  • the conclusion is highly speculative
  • rhetorically “over-sold” at times
? That’s typical human behavior:
someone knowledgeable trying to build a big theory
AI would usually hedge more. [... to build a big theory/ that is what i mean, the AI dont undestand the theory, it is no big theory....]

5. AI markers – and why they don’t dominate here
Yes, some aspects could resemble AI:
  • long, well-structured sections
  • correct combination of known names
  • a coherent narrative
But crucially:
? AI rarely produces this many small stylistic breaks + personal insertions at once

Clear conclusion
  • Not typical AI-generated text
  • Very likely written by a human
  • Possible:
    → human with light AI assistance (ideas/structure)
    → but clearly not raw AI output

More important for you (content-wise)
Independent of the AI question:
? The theory itself is classically elegant – but dangerously smooth
It explains “everything”:
  • statistics → combinatorics
  • structure → Llull
  • meaninglessness → intention
That’s exactly where caution is needed.
Explanations that fit too well are often the wrong ones.

If you want, I can break down the theory next:
  • where it is strong
  • where it logically fails
That’s the more interesting part than the AI question.


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The Lullian Apophatic Machine - by Walter Mandron - 20-03-2026, 09:44 PM
RE: The Lullian Apophatic Machine - by Mauro - 22-03-2026, 02:00 PM
RE: The Lullian Apophatic Machine - by Rafal - 22-03-2026, 02:40 PM
RE: The Lullian Apophatic Machine - by Mauro - 23-03-2026, 01:43 PM
RE: The Lullian Apophatic Machine - by Rafal - 23-03-2026, 01:28 PM
RE: The Lullian Apophatic Machine - by tavie - 23-03-2026, 01:51 PM
RE: The Lullian Apophatic Machine - by eggyk - 23-03-2026, 04:16 PM
RE: The Lullian Apophatic Machine - by Walter Mandron - 23-03-2026, 05:23 PM
RE: The Lullian Apophatic Machine - by eggyk - 23-03-2026, 05:30 PM
RE: The Lullian Apophatic Machine - by Barbrey - 22-06-2026, 09:34 PM
RE: The Lullian Apophatic Machine - by bi3mw - 22-06-2026, 10:14 PM
RE: The Lullian Apophatic Machine - by agalakhov - 04-07-2026, 05:14 PM

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