Voynich Welsh Numerology
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(29-10-2016, 12:35 AM)-JKP- wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(28-10-2016, 10:25 PM)stellar wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm not forcing anything yet I did have to correct Aquarius and Leo.  The number system verifies this and yes as you know with the Voynich everything is trial by error until you get it right.  I believe you were referring to Aquarius which is now the Water Carrier as is should be; Pisces is the Fish as Cameg.  Leo is now llewon which is plural for lion.


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You say that "... as you know with the Voynich everything is trial by error until you get it right."

I don't agree with this statement. Everything is not trial by error with the Voynich. Much of the good research I've seen has been carefully thought out, carefully investigated, vetted, and double- and triple-checked.


Adding up the numbers wrong or getting the word wrong in the language is not the same as trial-and-error. It is being sloppy and impulsive. You are posting on a board that includes quite a few professionals and reputable amateurs who have spent years honing their skills and who give great care and attention to their efforts. They are not going to accept something that is changed every few hours because it was posted before it had been double-checked.

We all make mistakes, but posting giant pictures of hasty work and then repeating those giant pictures several times to show the corrections is not fair to the people who take the time to read your posts and will not earn you respect for your ideas.


I know you think all my posts are "negative" but they are not. I am reading your posts and taking the time to make suggestions and to share my impressions of your ideas and one of the things I would strongly suggest is that you check and correct your work before you post.


I'm also still of the opinion that you are putting the cart before the horse and I mean this in a helpful way each time I say it. You are forcing a theory on the data instead of letting the data lead you to the solution. This is equivalent to kicking a soccer ball into the street because you saw two lines (the crosswalk) that you assumed were the goalposts. If, instead, you spend some time studying the field, you might discover a better direction to kick the ball.

Have you tried working out the zodiac in a different language like Latin, Russian, Armenian, or Greek? If you haven't, if you are determined to force Welsh on the data, then it's not science, it's stubbornness. Try it with five or six other languages and then you might get a better sense of whether you are on the right track.

JKP,

I don't know what to say, but I will write in defense.  I have studied the Voynich Glyph's since 2009 and what I realize is you cannot apply a language to it in a fundamental way. Why JKP, don't you apply Latin to the labels like for garlic and Pleiade and you probably have, but you see the deli-ma. What I believe is there are possibly texts in Welsh maybe from John Dee that were written prior that maybe incorporated into it or possibly someone else that follows this number cipher which I found.  That is speculation, but the bulk of evidence from the labels and themes of imagery which I found in welsh and astronomical names begs otherwise.

Also if languages have not found a fit to the Voynich Manuscript except in my number system which associates it to Welsh; after all these years with computers hitting it and just about everything has been thrown at it why am I wrong?

You are right I'm a pure amateur not affected by academia!  Yes people have pointed out my mistakes and I'm thankful.  It's a pure cipher for MS-408 and no other cipher has garnished meaning except mine.  My method is not mainstream, but it does point heavily to John Dee.
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Voynich Welsh Numerology - by stellar - 20-09-2016, 03:29 PM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by julian - 20-09-2016, 09:50 PM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by stellar - 20-09-2016, 11:31 PM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by stellar - 21-09-2016, 04:01 AM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by farmerjohn - 21-09-2016, 12:50 PM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by stellar - 21-09-2016, 04:25 PM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by -JKP- - 21-09-2016, 05:37 PM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by stellar - 21-09-2016, 07:23 PM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by -JKP- - 21-09-2016, 10:35 PM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by stellar - 22-09-2016, 01:42 AM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by -JKP- - 22-09-2016, 01:49 AM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by stellar - 22-09-2016, 03:02 AM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by stellar - 28-10-2016, 11:46 PM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by stellar - 24-09-2016, 08:42 PM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by -JKP- - 24-09-2016, 11:00 PM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by stellar - 25-09-2016, 04:39 AM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by Anton - 20-11-2016, 11:15 PM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by stellar - 21-11-2016, 12:04 AM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by Koen G - 21-11-2016, 05:45 AM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by stellar - 21-11-2016, 06:35 AM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by Koen G - 21-11-2016, 09:07 AM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by -JKP- - 21-11-2016, 10:08 AM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by Anton - 21-11-2016, 08:46 PM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by ReneZ - 21-11-2016, 09:16 PM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by davidjackson - 21-11-2016, 09:16 PM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by Anton - 21-11-2016, 10:14 PM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by -JKP- - 22-11-2016, 12:05 AM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by Anton - 22-11-2016, 01:46 AM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by ThomasCoon - 22-11-2016, 03:17 AM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by Anton - 23-11-2016, 12:41 AM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by stellar - 23-11-2016, 01:01 AM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by -JKP- - 23-11-2016, 02:14 AM
RE: Voynich Welsh Numerology - by Anton - 23-11-2016, 01:16 AM
The percentages - by stellar - 27-10-2016, 03:31 AM
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RE: The percentages - by -JKP- - 28-10-2016, 12:21 AM
RE: The percentages - by ThomasCoon - 28-10-2016, 02:28 AM
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RE: The percentages - by -JKP- - 29-10-2016, 12:35 AM
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RE: The percentages - by -JKP- - 29-10-2016, 04:01 AM
RE: The percentages - by ThomasCoon - 29-10-2016, 07:12 PM
RE: The percentages - by stellar - 29-10-2016, 07:31 PM
RE: The percentages - by ThomasCoon - 30-10-2016, 02:52 AM
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RE: The percentages - by Anton - 30-10-2016, 11:59 PM
RE: The percentages - by -JKP- - 31-10-2016, 12:03 AM
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RE: The percentages - by Anton - 31-10-2016, 12:17 AM
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RE: The percentages - by Anton - 31-10-2016, 12:40 AM
RE: The percentages - by ThomasCoon - 31-10-2016, 02:34 AM
RE: The percentages - by Koen G - 31-10-2016, 02:39 AM
RE: The percentages - by stellar - 31-10-2016, 02:48 AM
RE: The percentages - by Koen G - 31-10-2016, 02:56 AM
RE: The percentages - by ThomasCoon - 07-11-2016, 03:59 PM
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RE: The percentages - by ThomasCoon - 08-11-2016, 01:27 AM
RE: The percentages - by Witch Mountain - 08-11-2016, 01:28 AM
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RE: The percentages - by ThomasCoon - 08-11-2016, 02:48 AM
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RE: The percentages - by ThomasCoon - 08-11-2016, 03:27 AM
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RE: The percentages - by Witch Mountain - 08-11-2016, 04:25 PM
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RE: The percentages - by ThomasCoon - 08-11-2016, 04:45 PM
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RE: The percentages - by Witch Mountain - 08-11-2016, 04:48 PM
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RE: The percentages - by -JKP- - 08-11-2016, 08:40 PM
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RE: The percentages - by -JKP- - 10-11-2016, 02:44 AM
RE: The percentages - by Witch Mountain - 10-11-2016, 03:10 AM
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RE: The percentages - by ThomasCoon - 10-11-2016, 07:12 PM
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RE: f1r 1st Paragraph GENESIS - by stellar - 18-11-2016, 09:26 AM
RE: f1r 1st Paragraph GENESIS - by VViews - 18-11-2016, 09:30 AM
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RE: f1r 1st Paragraph GENESIS - by stellar - 18-11-2016, 05:25 PM
RE: f1r 1st Paragraph GENESIS - by VViews - 18-11-2016, 05:33 PM
RE: f1r 1st Paragraph GENESIS - by -JKP- - 19-11-2016, 01:30 AM
RE: f1r 1st Paragraph GENESIS - by Witch Mountain - 19-11-2016, 02:07 AM
RE: f1r 1st Paragraph GENESIS - by stellar - 19-11-2016, 02:12 AM
RE: f1r 1st Paragraph GENESIS - by -JKP- - 19-11-2016, 02:58 AM
RE: f1r 1st Paragraph GENESIS - by VViews - 19-11-2016, 03:40 AM
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Ros 2 Aqua Vita, Anton - by stellar - 23-11-2016, 12:18 AM

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