70v - Clothing
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(08-11-2025, 01:54 AM)Aga Tentakulus wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If there was a tracing, then there was also a preliminary sketch. This can be seen from the double zigzags (marked). In terms of colour, it was sketched in pencil (double lines). Ergo, it already had a crown before the tracing.

The traces of the first two arrows are not pencil but the same dark ink of the last Retracer (who also added the goggle-eyes and messed with the right breast, hairline, pubis, right leg..) 

The last two arrows may indeed be faded original traces. But even so, we cannot tell what sort of crown it was originally. 

In general, I do not see any sign of pencil sketching anywhere.  There are many parts of the outlines, and even glyphs in the text, that are even fainter than those "pencil" traces in the crown; but they often connect gradually and seamlessly to stronger traces that are clearly in ink.  Thus I think it is fair to assume that all traces are in ink, and that the faint ones are either places where the pen ran dry or where the ink has faded a lot.

Quote:The crown is typical of the Habsburgs.

That is great, a good match indeed!  When and where were those crowns used?

But from the limited sources I have seen so far, the kings and princes of many other European nations used similar crowns.

Quote:This applies to all three crowns.

The crown of f72v3 (Leo), inner band, 03:00 is lacking the "basket" and cross. I gather that it would mean a nobility grade below queen or princess?  It also seems to be an earlier Retracer, although even the usually dark traces of the "Right Breasts" Retracer are somewhat faded on that page. 

Which would be the third crown? In the Bio section?

All the best, --stolfi
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70v - Clothing - by Bluetoes101 - 06-11-2025, 10:54 PM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Jorge_Stolfi - 07-11-2025, 12:21 AM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Bluetoes101 - 07-11-2025, 12:59 AM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Jorge_Stolfi - 07-11-2025, 06:40 AM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Rafal - 07-11-2025, 12:52 PM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Jorge_Stolfi - 07-11-2025, 02:06 PM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Bluetoes101 - 07-11-2025, 01:59 PM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Jorge_Stolfi - 07-11-2025, 05:39 PM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Koen G - 07-11-2025, 05:51 PM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Bluetoes101 - 07-11-2025, 10:23 PM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Bluetoes101 - 07-11-2025, 06:17 PM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by R. Sale - 07-11-2025, 07:27 PM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Jorge_Stolfi - 07-11-2025, 08:07 PM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by R. Sale - 07-11-2025, 10:29 PM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Bluetoes101 - 07-11-2025, 11:45 PM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Jorge_Stolfi - 08-11-2025, 03:56 AM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Aga Tentakulus - 08-11-2025, 01:54 AM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Jorge_Stolfi - 08-11-2025, 03:51 AM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Jorge_Stolfi - 08-11-2025, 02:54 AM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Aga Tentakulus - 08-11-2025, 04:35 AM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Jorge_Stolfi - 08-11-2025, 10:21 AM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Aga Tentakulus - 08-11-2025, 11:57 AM
RE: 70v - Clothing - by Jorge_Stolfi - 08-11-2025, 02:09 PM

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